Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-29 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2014 14:58:05 -0500, Larry Martell wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid wrote: Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my

Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Larry Martell
Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Johannes Bauer
On 28.05.2014 21:23, Larry Martell wrote: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Sub-headline The Python community should fork Python 2. Which could also read Someone else should REALLY fork Py2 because I'm mad about Py3 yet

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
I agree that Py3 made a grave error in breaking backward-compatibility. However, that's the reality and the transition will take place over time, possibly even before IPv6 overtakes IPv4 in popularity. But then, I was never really beholden to third-party libraries and frameworks. Instead, the

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Python 3 can revive Python https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 long HN comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801834 Python

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid wrote: Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Python 3 can revive Python https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com wrote: No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. I'm just saying. And that's not a problem. Every whinging blog author seems to forget that

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 28/05/2014 20:58, Larry Martell wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid mailto:no.email@nospam.invalid wrote: Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com mailto:larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether:

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Ben Finney
Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: No company that I work for is using python 3 - they just have too much of an investment in a python 2 code base to switch. There are many large companies still using FORTRAN and COBOL because of a large investment in those languages, which are far

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au writes: There are many large companies still using FORTRAN and COBOL because of a large investment in those languages, which are far more outdated than Python 2. What's your point? I think some of us see Python 2 as perfectly fine--we've looked into Python 3 and

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/28/2014 3:23 PM, Larry Martell wrote: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Claim: Python 3 languishes in disuse. Fact: in 2013, there were around 14 million downloads of windows installers for each of 2.7.x and 3.3.x.

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/28/2014 3:49 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Python 3 can revive Python https://medium.com/p/2a7af4788b10 This makes the same false claim

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 28 May 2014 14:58:05 -0500, Larry Martell wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid wrote: Larry Martell larry.mart...@gmail.com writes: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: [1]https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Stefan Behnel
Terry Reedy, 29.05.2014 02:41: On 5/28/2014 3:23 PM, Larry Martell wrote: Somthing I came across in my travels through the ether: https://medium.com/@deliciousrobots/5d2ad703365d/ Claim: Python 3 languishes in disuse. Fact: in 2013, there were around 14 million downloads of windows

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 28 May 2014 20:41:53 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: Claim: Another great strength of Python 2 was that programs written in it would almost always run on the next version of Python without much alteration. True. True, but only because of the weasel-words almost always, and without much

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

2014-05-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes: The Python core developers have recent committed to providing security updates for 2.7 until 2020. And Redhat have paid support for 2.7 until 2023. So there's no rush. Perhaps Python 4 will be out by then and the Python 2 holdouts can skip over

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