Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/2/2013 7:46 PM, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.4125.1372798337.3114.python-l...@python.org, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a bug report in the issue tracker. I would revise this to If you are have really found a

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:39:59 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Steve Simmons square.st...@gmail.com writes: Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? This forum (both a Usenet newsgroup and a mailing list) is part of the Python community. So the “Python

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: A popular language like Python has been around for about 20 years. It is in daily use by tens of thousands of people around the world. What are the chances that you, in your first week of using Python,

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Neil Hodgson
Dennis Lee Bieber: So who would enforce any rules? I doubt it could be ported to a new (if approval could even be obtained) comp.lang.python.mod(erated) so nothing can be enforced on the comp.lang.python side; and what would you do with Google Groups? The current news group charter

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Dennis Lee Bieber writes: So who would enforce any rules? Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of conduct of our host, through social convention among us all. Thanks Ben for that. Lets not

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python might be in some of its more obscure modules, or

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.4148.1372832343.3114.python-l...@python.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: 6. If you make an informed post to the tracker backed up by at least opinion, at least one tracker responder be in a better mode when responding. What I generally do is summarize the problem

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Steve Simmons
On 03/07/2013 12:50, rusi wrote: On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Dennis Lee Bieber writes: So who would enforce any rules? Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of conduct of our host, through social convention among us all.

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're working with those, you know it full well. The dark

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.4170.1372860945.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, it's

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4170.1372860945.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:10:17 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.4148.1372832343.3114.python-l...@python.org, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: 6. If you make an informed post to the tracker backed up by at least opinion, at least one tracker responder be in a better mode when

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article kr20h3$omo$1...@reader2.panix.com, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, it's possible for there to be dark

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article kr20h3$omo$1...@reader2.panix.com, Grant Edwards invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4153.1372838561.3114.python-l...@python.org, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:

Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Simmons
Erm, It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? If not, should it? Is the membership of this list presently in the right frame of mind to create one or update any existing one?

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 2 July 2013 16:51, Steve Simmons square.st...@gmail.com wrote: Erm, It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? If not, should it? Is the membership of this list presently

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? If not, should it? No, and probably not. As Joshua Landau indicated, nobody reads the user manual anyway. In addition, this mailing list is not currently moderated in an approve-each-message sort of way (and

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article a3704f85-2ef1-41e7-8fd1-8d7191f3f...@email.android.com, Steve Simmons square.st...@gmail.com wrote: Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? From http://www.python.org/community/lists/ comp.lang.python comp.lang.python is a high-volume

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Simmons square.st...@gmail.com writes: It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... An excellent time to raise this, in my opinion. Thank you for doing so. Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? This forum

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.4125.1372798337.3114.python-l...@python.org, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a bug report in the issue tracker. I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's certainly true that you

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article roy-d8c68f.19461302072...@70-1-84-166.pools.spcsdns.net, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article mailman.4125.1372798337.3114.python-l...@python.org, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a bug report in the issue

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 02Jul2013 19:46, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: | In article mailman.4125.1372798337.3114.python-l...@python.org, | Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: | | If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file | a bug report in the issue tracker. | | I'm not sure I agree with

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com writes: So who would enforce any rules? Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of conduct of our host, through social convention among us all. -- \“I took a course in speed waiting. Now I can wait an hour in | `\

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:51:38 +0100, Steve Simmons wrote: Erm, It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? If not, should it? I *knew* this would be raised. You are right

Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 19:46:13 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: In article mailman.4125.1372798337.3114.python-l...@python.org, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a bug report in the issue tracker. I'm not sure I agree with that one,

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 3 July 2013 01:52, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: If you are a beginner to a programming language, assume that anything that doesn't work the way you expect is a bug in YOUR code, or YOUR understanding, not in the language. Not just beginners. Out of the