Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-15 Thread harrismh777
CM wrote: What was criticized was your approach, which seemed counter-productive, and so much so that it seemed like you are "really" advocating FOR software patents by discrediting the position against them. Oh, the "thou protesteth too much" argument... ... well, I can only say that none of

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread CM
On Apr 14, 1:50 am, harrismh777 wrote: > Westley Martínez wrote: >   I don't  even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and > likes it... > >  >>  not even one. > > >>> >  >  Hi, m harris, nice to meet you.  Now you do. > > >>> >  >  To the online community:  Is there a

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread Ethan Furman
geremy condra wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:50 PM, harrismh777 wrote: >> My major professor once told me, "You know you've won the argument when they start calling you names!" I think your professor should have said "you know you've won the argument when you can prove it". If you can

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-14 Thread harrismh777
geremy condra wrote: > But on a serious note, I did wonder who would be the first jouster to offer > the argumentum ad hominem? ... ah, sticks and stones... > My major professor once told me, "You know you've won the argument when they > start calling you names!" I think your professor

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-13 Thread geremy condra
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:50 PM, harrismh777 wrote: > Westley Martínez wrote: > >  I don't  even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and > likes it... > >  >>  not even one. >  > >  >  Hi, m harris, nice to meet you.  Now you do. >  > >  >  To

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-13 Thread harrismh777
Westley Martínez wrote: I don't even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and likes it... > >> not even one. > > > > Hi, m harris, nice to meet you. Now you do. > > > > To the online community: Is there a name for trolling for A by > > advocating for not-A in a way tha

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread Westley Martínez
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 11:13 -0700, geremy condra wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:48 AM, CM wrote: > >> I don't even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and likes > >> it... > >> not even one. > > > > Hi, m harris, nice to meet you. Now you do. > > > > To the online community:

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/12/2011 2:44 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 4/11/2011 4:36 AM, rusi wrote: http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~dqg/papers/cie05.pdf may be of interest (and also other papers of Peter Wegner questioning the universality of Turing machines lambda ca

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/11/2011 4:36 AM, rusi wrote: > >> http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~dqg/papers/cie05.pdf >> >> may be of interest (and also other papers of Peter Wegner questioning >> the universality of Turing machines lambda calculus etc) > > Thank you for tha

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread geremy condra
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:48 AM, CM wrote: >>  I don't  even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and likes >>it... >> not even one. > > Hi, m harris, nice to meet you.  Now you do. > > To the online community:  Is there a name for trolling for A by > advocating for not-A in a way th

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread CM
>  I don't even know one person who has Win7 installed, running, and likes >it... > not even one.   Hi, m harris, nice to meet you. Now you do. To the online community: Is there a name for trolling for A by advocating for not-A in a way that discredits your point of view an case so that A now

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/11/2011 4:36 AM, rusi wrote: http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~dqg/papers/cie05.pdf may be of interest (and also other papers of Peter Wegner questioning the universality of Turing machines lambda calculus etc) Thank you for that reference. In summary, it says that while Turing machine are univ

Re: Free software versus software idea patents (was: Python benefits over Cobra)

2011-04-12 Thread sturlamolden
On 7 apr, 09:39, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > It's astonishing how anti-Mono FUD just won't die. (Something can be > true, and still FUD. "Oh no, people might *choke* on a peanut, or have an > allergic reaction, we must label every piece of food May Contain Nuts > just in case, because you never know

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread harrismh777
rusi wrote: From http://www.cse.uconn.edu/~dqg/papers/cie05.pdf may be of interest (and also other papers of Peter Wegner questioning the universality of Turing machines lambda calculus etc) This is very interesting indeed. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-12 Thread harrismh777
wisecrac...@tesco.net wrote: Do I have your permission to quote your reply intact in threads where the patent, etc, issues arise, and they often do on other sites. TIA... Feel free, the more folks we have dialoging about this issue, the better for everyone who values freedom. -- http://m

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-11 Thread rusi
On Apr 11, 12:53 pm, geremy condra wrote: > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, harrismh777 wrote: > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > >>> >      All software can be expressed as lambda calculus. The point being, > >>> > all > >>> >  software is mathematics... > > >> With enough software, you can simulate

Re: Free software versus software idea patents

2011-04-11 Thread wisecracker
Hi harrismh777... >> With enough software, you can simulate anything. That means that the >> entire universe can be expressed as lambda calculus. Does that mean >> that nothing can ever be patented, because it's all just mathematics? > Great question... the simple answer is, no. But the exten

Re: Free software versus software idea patents (was: Python benefits over Cobra)

2011-04-07 Thread flebber
On Apr 7, 7:17 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano > > wrote: > > Do you want to know who scares me? Google and Apple. Google, because > > they're turning software from something you run on your own computer to > > something you use on a distant server you