> It would not be difficult to convince me to commit homicide for
> a Delphi-like Python gui machine that runs on a Linux box. I
> have played with many - Boa, WxDes, Glade, Tk, Dabo, QtDesigner,
> Card, etc.
Not sure whether you tried it enough on Linux, but Boa (which was
intended to be kind of
On 6/19/2012 6:07 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
And the lack of success of Python so far to replace, in your
application case, Labview, or, in my application case, all those
proprietary 4GL IDEs/frameworks/GUI builders (just check the success
that Realbasic has) proves imho that the Python communi
Albert van der Horst於 2012年6月22日星期五UTC+8下午11時53分01秒寫道：
> In article ,
> Kevin Walzer wrote:
> >On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >> Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
> >> potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
> >> show
On 6/22/2012 11:53 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
In article ,
Kevin Walzer wrote:
On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
show them one GUI implement
> >> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> >> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> >> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
> >
> > Good example.
> >
> > I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks
> >
Dietmar quotes:
> With Python not having an easy-to-use GUI builder,
> The point is, that if you want to promote Python as replacement
> for e.g. VB, Labview etc., then an easy-to-use GUI builder is required.
> The typical GUI programs will just have an input mask, a button and one
> or two outpu
Am 13.06.2012 18:30, schrieb rdst...@mac.com:
about Google's "Blockly" a drag and drop tool for building apps that
outputs Python or Javascript code (among others) and it might be
usable along these lines...I'm sure serious programmers would not use
it but maybe engineers looking to make web fron
Am 15.06.2012 01:07, schrieb Dennis Lee Bieber:
Visual Basic was essentially developed as a unified whole (drop a
Sure. I prefer modular approaches. I don't see why this should not be
possible (e.g. an IDE like Wing integrates well with other tools and
frameworks; I'm sure it could also
Am 13.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only
Am 14.06.2012 22:06, schrieb Colin Higwell:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:55:38 +0200, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
As long as there's no GUI
builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
No GUI builder for Python? There are plenty.
Yes, sorry. I posted that too late in the night.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:55:38 +0200, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
> As long as there's no GUI
> builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
No GUI builder for Python? There are plenty.
I use wxGlade with wxPython and it works beautifully. It writes the code
for the GUI elemen
Danger: Flame ahead!
> I think efforts to make a better, and more definitive, "GUI builder"
> for Python should focus on makigng an easy to use "IDE" for creating
> these kinds of Python-HTMl-Javascript front ends for applications.
The idea of so-called "web applications" is a cerebral flatulance
> object mainwindow=GTK2.Window(GTK2.WindowToplevel);
> mainwindow->set_title("Timing")->set_default_size
> (400,300)->signal_connect("destroy",window_destroy); GTK2.HbuttonBox
> btns=GTK2.HbuttonBox()->set_layout(GTK2.BUTTONBOX_SPREAD); foreach
> (labels,string lbl) btns->add(butto
> I think this is the wave of the furture for deploying simple programs
> to many users. It is almost 100% cross platform (can be used on
> desktop, smartphone, tablet, windows, linux, mac etc) and is very easy
> to do, even for casual "non-programmers" who do a little programming
> (such as many e
> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks to
LyX.
Sincerely,
Wolfga
> > * Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
> > software to help them get their work done but can't. And since
> > there's no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done
> > about this.
> Well, typically or at least very often sooner or later something
> gets done
On Jun 10, 12:37 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Personally, I prefer Python with console, wx or Qt for local
> applications and Python/HTTP/HTML/Javascript for multi-user
> database applications.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dietmar
+1
I think this is the wave of the furture for deploying simple program
On Jun 11, 6:55 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> But then we're back to the initial point: As long as there's no GUI
> builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
Then good thing there *are* GUI builder/IDEs for Python, one of which
was good enough for me to take me from es
Am 11.06.2012 01:15, schrieb Chris Angelico:
If you're a complete non-programmer, then of course that's an opaque
block of text. But to a programmer, it ought to be fairly readable -
Well, I can read the code.
But still I would not be able (or interested) to write C++/GTK code.
With my rusty C++
Am 11.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Anssi Saari:
Wolfgang Keller writes:
This whole cycle of "design GUI"->"generate code"->add own code to
generated code"->"run application with GUI" has always seemed very
un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work
in a more "lively", "d
Am 11.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
* Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
software to help them get their work done but can't. And since there's
no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done about this.
Well, typically or at least very often sooner
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts):
>
>> There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - "build
>> XYZ applications without writing a single line of code!". I've seen it
>> in database front-end builders as well as GUI
(Sorry for posting without references to the previous messages, but it
seems that many messages don't get through to the nntp server that I'm
using.)
Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts):
> There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - "build
> XYZ applications without writing a
On Jun 8, 7:27 am, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> This whole cycle of "design GUI"->"generate code"->add own code to
> generated code"->"run application with GUI" has always seemed very
> un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work
> in a more "lively", "direct" way to build
Am 10.06.2012 08:16, schrieb rusi:
This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
So which language would you suggest to use next? ;-)
I've read the article. It presents some nice ideas, but probably the
author has not used Python before.
Otherwise he would have
On 10 June 2012 07:16, rusi wrote:
> This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
Interesting! I definitely fall nicely at one extreme of this
dichotomy. Every time I've tried to use an IDE, it's made me feel
inadequate and I've quickly retreated to my comfort
On Jun 9, 10:07 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> > And you can than go in the code editor to that function and change the
> > code to do whatever you want.
>
> Having to go there is already more work than I would expect.
> I would expect to go there e.g. by a double-click.
>
> This is just a min
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> None of these were such that I could propagate it as GUI development
> tool for non-programmers / casual users.
> Sure, some are good for designing the GUI, but at the point where
> the user code is to be added, most people would be l
Am 09.06.2012 17:34, schrieb CM:
You can do this for wxPython with Boa Constructor easily. You can
bind an event handler for a wx.EVT_BUTTON to, e.g., "Button1" with Boa
and it will add this code for you to the bottom of your code:
def OnButton1Button(self,evt):
evt.Skip()
And you can th
> I think that something in the style of Visual BASIC (version 6) is required
> for either wxPython or PyQt/PySide (or both).
> In the Visual BASIC editor you can e.g. add a GUI element
> and directly go to the code editor to fill methods (e.g. an OnClick
> method).
You can do this for wxPython wi
Am 08.06.2012 17:11, schrieb CM:
I'm curious about your point but I don't really understand it. Could
you try again without using any scare-quoted words? Maybe given an
example of creating a small text editor application with a GUI builder/
IDE in this Pythonic way you are hoping for.
Before
On Jun 8, 8:27 am, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> > I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> > write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> > I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> > dated it seems to be with no updates i
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