On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:24:46 AM UTC+12, Wildman wrote:
> I am not convinced on any of the theories on how the pyramids
> were built, or any other of the monolithic sites.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
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Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other:
it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of
thirty cubits did compass it round about. [1 Kings 7:23]
I think I know how that came about. It was actually filled
with molt
On Tuesday 21 June 2016 02:01, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> There's a difference though. Nobody has tried to legislate the value of pi
>> to match your casual reference to "about 1900 square feet", but there's been
>> at least one serious attemp
Wildman :
> As you can see, a stone had to be cut, transported and put in place
> every 6 minutes 24 hours a day for 23 years. And if the stone count
> was actually 2.4 million, the time would be reduced to 5 minutes per
> stone. All I can say is wow!
It probably means mostly that the Nile produc
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 01:01:21 -0700, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:32:54 PM UTC+12, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
>> Width/height ratio of the pyramid of Cheops was so close to π/2 that UFO
>> enthusiasts were convinced alien technology was used in the construction
>> of the
Gregory Ewing :
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> I feel a new phrase coming on: “good enough for Bible work”!
>
> I understand there's a passage in the Bible somewhere that
> uses a 1 significant digit approximation to pi...
Yes:
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the
On 2016-06-20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> One of the most underrated yet critical functions of government is
> to standardise weights and measures, and that function evolved very
> slowly over time. I doubt that the Egyptian Pharoahs cared about it,
Oh, I bet they did. How you measure things affe
On 2016-06-19, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> I feel a new phrase coming on: “good enough for Bible work”!
>
> I understand there's a passage in the Bible somewhere that
> uses a 1 significant digit approximation to pi...
A lot of the time, 3 is a good-enough approximation
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> I'm not aware of any other such legislative attempts. Snopes records
> one that allegedly occurred in Indiana but dismisses the claim as
> false.
s/Indiana/Alabama
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> There's a difference though. Nobody has tried to legislate the value of pi to
> match your casual reference to "about 1900 square feet", but there's been at
> least one serious attempt to legislate the value of pi to match the implied
> va
On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 7:32:54 PM UTC+12, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Width/height ratio of the pyramid of Cheops was so close to π/2 that UFO
> enthusiasts were convinced alien technology was used in the construction
> of the pyramids.
They were also able to get the bases of the pyramids horizo
Lawrence D’Oliveiro :
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:26:03 AM UTC+12, Gregory Ewing wrote:
>
>> If you're building something the size of a pyramid, that could
>> add up to quite a lot of error.
>
> Particularly since so many of their neighbours had worked out how to
> do much better than that, t
On Monday 20 June 2016 15:19, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Sure, but I think you've missed my central point, which is not that
> they wouldn't have made reasonably precise measurements in
> construction, but only that the storytellers would have rounded things
> off for their audience.
>
> We still do the
On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:26:03 AM UTC+12, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> If you're building something the size of a pyramid, that could
> add up to quite a lot of error.
Particularly since so many of their neighbours had worked out how to do much
better than that, thousands of years earlier...
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> Ian Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Remember, the cubit was based on the length of the
>> forearm, so it's not like it was a terribly precise measurement to
>> begin with;
>
>
> Let's not sell them short. Just because it was based on a forearm
> doesn't
On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:25 am, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Ian Kelly wrote:
>> Remember, the cubit was based on the length of the
>> forearm, so it's not like it was a terribly precise measurement to
>> begin with;
>
> Let's not sell them short. Just because it was based on a forearm
> doesn't mean th
Ian Kelly wrote:
Remember, the cubit was based on the length of the
forearm, so it's not like it was a terribly precise measurement to
begin with;
Let's not sell them short. Just because it was based on a forearm
doesn't mean they didn't have a precise standard for it, any more
than people who
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
I feel a new phrase coming on: “good enough for Bible work”!
I understand there's a passage in the Bible somewhere that
uses a 1 significant digit approximation to pi...
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On 18.06.2016 01:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> I’m not sure how you can write “30” with one digit...
3e1 has one significant digit.
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Tim Harig
wrote:
>
> The main problem I have with significant figures is that measurement
> accuracy is often not constrained to a decimal system. A scale that can
> measure in 1/5 units is more accurate than a scale that can measure only
> in whole units but it
Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 3:16:41 AM UTC+13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>>
>>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
>>> ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and
>>> his hei
Am 18.06.16 um 03:19 schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
If I tell you that some physical phenomenon [let's call it the speed of
light] is 299,999,999 m/s, how many significant digits would I be using?
What if I tell you that it's 300,000,001 m/s?
What if the figure to nine significant digits *actually is
On Friday, March 18, 2011 at 5:17:48 AM UTC-7, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> RIIght. What's a cubit?
>
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On 2016-06-18, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:49 am, Ian Kelly wrote:
>
>> If I tell you that the speed of light is 300,000,000 m/s, do you think
>> that measurement has 9 significant digits? If you do, then you would be
>> wrong.
> What if the figure to nine significant digits *a
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro
wrote:
> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 3:48:43 PM UTC+12, Random832 wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m not sure how you can write “30” with one digit...
>>
>> One *significant* digit.
>
> Like so
On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 3:48:43 PM UTC+12, Random832 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure how you can write “30” with one digit...
>
> One *significant* digit.
Like some credulous past-Bronze-age tribespeople understood the concept of
“si
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> I’m not sure how you can write “30” with one digit...
One *significant* digit. Though, as it happens, some ancient number
systems, including Hebrew and Greek, have one set of digits for 1-9, one
for 10-90, and one for 100-900.
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On 06/17/2016 06:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:49 am, Ian Kelly wrote:
If I tell you that the speed of light is 300,000,000 m/s, do you think
that measurement has 9 significant digits? If you do, then you would be
wrong.
Hmmm.
If I tell you that some physical phenomen
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:49 am, Ian Kelly wrote:
> If I tell you that the speed of light is 300,000,000 m/s, do you think
> that measurement has 9 significant digits? If you do, then you would be
> wrong.
Hmmm.
If I tell you that some physical phenomenon [let's call it the speed of
light] is 299,9
On Jun 17, 2016 5:44 PM, "Lawrence D’Oliveiro"
wrote:
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 3:16:41 AM UTC+13, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> > On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
> >
> >> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
> >> ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was
On Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 3:16:41 AM UTC+13, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>
>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
>> ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and
>> his height was five cubits: and a line of th
On Friday, March 18, 2011 at 8:21:36 AM UTC+13, Rotwang wrote:
> sum_{j = 1}^\infty 10^{-j!}
You forgot a “\” in front of “sum”.
(Of course I had to try it in IPython...)
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On 2016-06-17 17:51, hed...@hedgui.com wrote:
Pi simply is not 3.14159
Time to go to remedial school everyone.
If I do something on one side of the equation, I have to do the same on the
other side of the equation.
With Pi, we are TAKING the diameter, so subtract the width of diameter from th
Pi simply is not 3.14159
Time to go to remedial school everyone.
If I do something on one side of the equation, I have to do the same on the
other side of the equation.
With Pi, we are TAKING the diameter, so subtract the width of diameter from the
circumference of the circle and you have an e
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:45:47 +0100
Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Neil Cerutti, 18.03.2011 13:17:
> > RIIght. What's a cubit?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit
I don't believe that Neil was asking a serious question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so9o3_daDZw
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:22:43 -0700, Kee Nethery wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
>
>> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
>>> ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and
>>> his h
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 14:16 +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
> > The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
> > ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and
> > his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did
In <8uh0rcfe1...@mid.individual.net> Neil Cerutti writes:
> RIIght. What's a cubit?
How long can you tread water?
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On Mar 18, 2011, at 5:17 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
>> sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
>> all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty
>> cubits did compa
On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten sea,
> ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and
> his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it
> round about. ". So pi=3. End Of.
There's nothin
Sherm Pendley, 18.03.2011 14:46:
Stefan Behnel writes:
Neil Cerutti, 18.03.2011 13:17:
On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
all about, and his height was five cubits: and a li
On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 02:10 -0700, peter wrote:
> On Mar 17, 5:22 pm, Kee Nethery wrote:
> > My favorite approximation is: 355/113 (visualize 113355 split into two 113
> > 355 and then do the division). The first 6 decimal places are the same.
> >
> > 3.141592920353982 = 355/113
> > vs
> > 3.141
Stefan Behnel writes:
> Neil Cerutti, 18.03.2011 13:17:
>> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
>>> sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
>>> all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty
>>> cubi
"peter"
Kee Nethery > My favorite approximation is: 355/113 (visualize 113355 split
into two 113 355 and then do the division). The first 6 decimal places are
the same.
>
> 3.141592920353982 = 355/113
> vs
> 3.1415926535897931
>
> Kee Nethery
Or (more for fun than any practical application) try
On 2011-03-18, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Neil Cerutti, 18.03.2011 13:17:
>> On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
>>> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
>>> sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
>>> all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of th
Neil Cerutti, 18.03.2011 13:17:
On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty
cubits did compass it round about. ". So pi=3
On 2011-03-18, peter wrote:
> The Old Testament (1 Kings 7,23) says ... "And he made a molten
> sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round
> all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty
> cubits did compass it round about. ". So pi=3. End Of.
RIIght. Wh
On Mar 17, 5:22 pm, Kee Nethery wrote:
> My favorite approximation is: 355/113 (visualize 113355 split into two 113
> 355 and then do the division). The first 6 decimal places are the same.
>
> 3.141592920353982 = 355/113
> vs
> 3.1415926535897931
>
> Kee Nethery
Or (more for fun than any pract
> My favorite approximation is: 355/113 (visualize 113355 split into two 113
> 355 and then do the division). The first 6 decimal places are the same.
>
> 3.141592920353982 = 355/113
> vs
> 3.1415926535897931
Another, rather funny, approximation of the first 15 digits of pi is
to take the length
Jeffrey Gaynor wrote:
It is the simple "fractional" look about pi vs. how hard it is to compute that drives most
of the confusion about pi. The digits of pi are in effectively random order (each digit occur
roughly 10% of the time), ...
This is equivalent to stating that pi is normal, somethin
On 17/03/2011 18:49, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Jeffrey Gaynor wrote:
There are fun math questions, for instance, is there a run of a million 1's
someplace in the decimal expansion of pi? Maybe so, but we just don't know,
since we've only computed the first trillion or
or"
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Subject: Re: value of pi and 22/7
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Jeffrey Gaynor wrote:
> There are fun math questions, for instance, is there a run of a million 1's
> someplace in the decimal expansio
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Jeffrey Gaynor wrote:
> There are fun math questions, for instance, is there a run of a million 1's
> someplace in the decimal expansion of pi? Maybe so, but we just don't know,
> since we've only computed the first trillion or so digits.
Since pi is irrational
(pulls out doctorate in Math.) Take a circle and measure its diameter, then
circumference (coffee cans and string are helpful). Then
pi = Circumference/diameter
approximating that is hard. It turns out that even though it *looks* like a
nice fraction, the value that results is not (fractions of
My favorite approximation is: 355/113 (visualize 113355 split into two 113 355
and then do the division). The first 6 decimal places are the same.
3.141592920353982 = 355/113
vs
3.1415926535897931
Kee Nethery
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, kracekumar ramaraju
> wrote:
>> I tried the following
> 22/7.0
>> 3.1428571428571428
> import math
> math.pi
>> 3.1415926535897931
>
>>
>>
>> Why is the difference is so much ?is pi =22/7 or som
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, kracekumar ramaraju
wrote:
> I tried the following
22/7.0
> 3.1428571428571428
import math
math.pi
> 3.1415926535897931
>
>
> Why is the difference is so much ?is pi =22/7 or something ?
Pi is not 22/7. That is just a commonly-used approximat
On Donnerstag 17 März 2011, kracekumar ramaraju wrote:
> >>> 22/7.0
>
> 3.1428571428571428
>
> >>> import math
> >>> math.pi
>
> 3.1415926535897931
>
> Why is the difference is so much ?is pi =22/7 or something ?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Pi
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