Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Susi
> wrote:
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>>Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
>>module could be drawn in this case?
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> I just create a (UML) class for modules. After all a Python module can be
> seen as a class d
bruno at modulix wrote:
[...]
> Yes, there's in UML a fundamental distinction between classes and
> objects - distinction that does not exist in a lot of OO languages. This
> greatly limits UML's usability for some common idioms in dynamic OOPL's.
> Seems like UML has been designed to express only
Roman Susi wrote:
[...]
> Also, my argument that Python is quite good at communicating design
> ideas is supported by the fact that Python developers do not use UML (or
> other modelling tools/languages) as often as say Java programmers, nor
> feel the need to. And probably Python is too dynamic f
Ravi Teja wrote:
> What I mean is <> is the formal notation for a class in which
> global functions are aggregated. It's not a hack.
> Python is not alone here. Most OO languages aside Java and Smalltalk
> have functions outside classes and UML accomodates though not
> encourages free functions.
I
> Well, you can have a lot of things happening during the import stage. Is
this 'runtime' or not ?-)
Runtime.
> And you can actually *create* (not 'change') classes at runtime too.
Yes sir! By now I am quite well aware what 'dynamic typing' means. Once
again, round trip tools today model program
Philippe Martin wrote:
please don't top-post - corrected
> bruno at modulix wrote:
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>>Philippe Martin wrote:
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>>>Roman Susi wrote:
>>>
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>>(snip)
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>>
More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
reflect that?
>>>
>>>
>>>You mean objects I think:
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>>
Ravi Teja wrote:
(snip)
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>> And probably Python is too dynamic for UML. That is another reason
> rountrip tools aren't there.
>
>
> As you probably already know, UML diagrams are structural and
> behavioural (plus interactional with 2.0). Round trip tools only model
> structural diagrams. Pytho
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roman Susi
wrote:
> Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
> module could be drawn in this case?
I just create a (UML) class for modules. After all a Python module can be
seen as a class definition for a singleton which is instantiated at
> So, function could be a utility class method. If there are no better ways.
What I mean is <> is the formal notation for a class in which
global functions are aggregated. It's not a hack.
Python is not alone here. Most OO languages aside Java and Smalltalk
have functions outside classes and UML a
But not in UML: a class diagram will represent classes while a sequence
diagram objects.
Philippe
bruno at modulix wrote:
> Philippe Martin wrote:
>> Roman Susi wrote:
>>
> (snip)
>
>>>More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
>>>reflect that?
>>
>>
>> You me
Ravi Teja wrote:
>>>Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
>
> module could be drawn in this case?
>
> As a utility class.
So, function could be a utility class method. If there are no better ways.
>>>More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly,
Philippe Martin wrote:
> Roman Susi wrote:
>
(snip)
>>More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
>>reflect that?
>
>
> You mean objects I think:
Yes : class objects !-)
Python's classes *are* objects. And you can create new classes at runtime.
(snip)
--
bruno d
Ravi Teja wrote:
(snip)
>>>More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
>
> reflect that?
>
> "On the fly" usually means "at runtime". I guess you mean if you
> "change code" will my diagram stay in sync?.
Nope, the OP really meant "on the fly", as in "at runtime". In
Roman Susi wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
> module could be drawn in this case?
>
I'm not up to par on the latest UML specs (or not too old) - but I don't
believe UML handles that: it is called a class diagram after all.
> More theoretic
Roman Susi wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
> module could be drawn in this case?
I would say that within a class diagram, you can't. In other UML
diagrams (such as sequence interaction), the function is simply used as
if it were a method be
>> Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
module could be drawn in this case?
As a utility class.
>> More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
reflect that?
"On the fly" usually means "at runtime". I guess you mean if you
"change co
Hi!
Out of curiosity, how do I draw functions outside classes with UML? How
module could be drawn in this case?
More theoretical question is if I create classes on the fly, how UML can
reflect that?
(I know that Python code itself is best at communication design ideas,
but there are some peop
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