Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-08 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 06-07-13 00:40, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 07/04/2013 06:09 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 19:11, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 07/03/2013 03:21 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-05 Thread rurpy
On 07/04/2013 06:09 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 19:11, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 07/03/2013 03:21 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-05 Thread rurpy
On 07/04/2013 02:50 AM, feedthetr...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 19:01:23 UTC+2 schrieb ru...@yahoo.com: [...] Any questions? Yes. [...] I know the answers to all these questions are obvious to everyone else here but I am not sure about them. Then I hope, I was able to

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread Νίκος
Στις 4/7/2013 8:44 πμ, ο/η ru...@yahoo.com έγραψε: On 07/03/2013 09:07 PM, rusi wrote: [...] I got into it because I felt Chris had done more service to Nikos and the list than others and then was being misrepresented. I don't know why you think I misrepresented him. I questioned the

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread feedthetroll
Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 19:00:50 UTC+2 schrieb rusi: On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC+5:30, feedth...@gmx.de wrote: Any questions? YES! Who is that hiding behind 'FeedTheTroll' ? Oh, it's just yattt (yet another troll trolling troll) lurching around to find amazing threads

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread feedthetroll
Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 19:01:23 UTC+2 schrieb ru...@yahoo.com: On 07/03/2013 08:12 AM, feedthetr...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 12:00:14 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος: Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. ... I just

Fwd: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 8:23 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: What are the file permissions (file modes) on all your home directories? Do you know what they mean? root@nikos [~]# ls -al /home total 88 drwx--x--x 22 root root 4096 Jul 3 20:03 ./ drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jun 12 01:21

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 04-07-13 01:40, Joshua Landau schreef: On 3 July 2013 11:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: This is not an attack of character. Level of skill/competence is not in general seen as a character trait. I disagree. I'm not sure how to argue this, rather than point out that

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 03-07-13 19:11, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: On 07/03/2013 03:21 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out incompetence to your boss (or anyone

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-04 Thread Joshua Landau
On 4 July 2013 12:19, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 04-07-13 01:40, Joshua Landau schreef: Bear in mind that if the way you were acting was all in my with trepidation category, I would likely have not spoken up. I believe you crossed a lot further beyond that line. I

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out incompetence to your boss (or anyone else where impoliteness could have real consequences for you) if you would say, you're

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out incompetence to your boss (or anyone else where

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 02-07-13 15:40, Joshua Landau schreef: On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 02-07-13 11:34, Joshua Landau schreef: No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no idea how you came up with that. Please answer the following

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 03-07-13 11:45, Chris Angelico schreef: On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. Which seemed to be accepted on this list without a problem. If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3:15:15 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he had betrayed his (our) customers' trust. I would say it with strong emphasis and a raised tone,

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread feedthetroll
Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 12:00:14 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος: Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. ... I just received a call form on of my customers asking me to explain your mail ... Of course i should have give you the root

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he had betrayed his (our) customers' trust. I would say it with strong emphasis and a

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. Which seemed to be accepted on this list without a problem. If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Steve Simmons
On 03/07/2013 15:12, feedthetr...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 12:00:14 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος: Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. ... I just received a call form on of my customers asking me to explain your mail

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 5:44 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:00 PM, � ni...@superhost.gr wrote: 3/7/2013 12:45 ��, �/� Chris Angelico ��: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. Which seemed to be accepted on this list without a problem. If my boss

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open a norla user account for someone if i feel like trusting him and copy my python file to his homr dir to take alook from within. Well... well... baby

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 6:44 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, � ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open a norla user account for someone if i feel like trusting him and copy my python file to his homr dir to

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 3/7/2013 6:44 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, � ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open a norla user account for someone if

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC+5:30, feedth...@gmx.de wrote: Any questions? YES! Who is that hiding behind 'FeedTheTroll' ? Well thanks anyways :-) I was thinking of doing that but could not find my oxygen mask needed to wade into the steaming pile of ... --

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/03/2013 08:12 AM, feedthetr...@gmx.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2013 12:00:14 UTC+2 schrieb Νίκος: Στις 3/7/2013 12:45 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. ... I just received a call form on of my customers asking me to explain your

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Steve Simmons
On 03/07/2013 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open a norla user account for someone if i feel like trusting him and copy my python file to his homr dir to take

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 7:53 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 3/7/2013 6:44 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, � ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/03/2013 03:21 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 03-07-13 02:30, ru...@yahoo.com schreef: If your going to point out something negative about someone then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out incompetence to your boss (or anyone else where impoliteness could have real

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/02/2013 07:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: [...] On the other hand, I've certainly learned a lot in my newbie days from being told off quite harshly by some of the Python community alphas, like the Effbot Fredrik Lundh, and Alex Martelli. It hurts to be told you're an idiot by one of

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 3/7/2013 7:53 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: What are the file permissions (file modes) on all your home directories? Do you know what they mean? root@nikos [~]# ls -al /home total 88 drwx--x--x 22 root root 4096

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 7:42 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: On 03/07/2013 16:44, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM, � ni...@superhost.gr wrote: I will *not* give away my root pass to anyone for any reason but i will open a norla user account for someone if i feel like trusting him

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Νίκος
Στις 3/7/2013 8:23 μμ, ο/η Chris Angelico έγραψε: What are the file permissions (file modes) on all your home directories? Do you know what they mean? root@nikos [~]# ls -al /home total 88 drwx--x--x 22 root root 4096 Jul 3 20:03 ./ drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Jun 12

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:31:23 PM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Are the existence of laws against beating people up negated because you told them in advance? Or negated because they deserve the beating? One of the fundamental purpose of laws is to legalize what you call

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:08:11 -0700, rusi wrote: And when Nikos moves up from petty criminal status to responsible citizen, Petty criminal status? /headdesk -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/03/2013 12:08 PM, rusi wrote: On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:31:23 PM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Are the existence of laws against beating people up negated because you told them in advance? Or negated because they deserve the beating? One of the fundamental purpose of laws is

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Joshua Landau
On 3 July 2013 02:21, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: On 07/02/2013 05:18 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 2 July 2013 23:34, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: [...] Needless to say, I disagree with your position. There is no place for baseless insults in this community; but when the behaviour

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Joshua Landau
On 3 July 2013 11:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 02-07-13 15:40, Joshua Landau schreef: On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: There is not ever a place on this list where you will need to call someone incompetent. You can explain to

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Ben Finney
rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes: As a good Christian I believe that Chris tried more than anyone else on this list to help Nikos before talking recourse to another gem of biblical wisdom: He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Good

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 4 July 2013 01:53, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: rusi rustompm...@gmail.com writes: As a good Christian I believe that Chris tried more than anyone else on this list to help Nikos before talking recourse to another gem of biblical wisdom: He that spareth his rod hateth his

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/03/2013 05:12 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 3 July 2013 02:21, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: [...] The reality is that few of the people at whom such statements are aimed will make such fine distinction. If you use negatively judgemental statements against other posters, a significant number

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:18:58 -0700, rurpy wrote: On 07/03/2013 12:08 PM, rusi wrote: On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:31:23 PM UTC+5:30, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: Are the existence of laws against beating people up negated because you told them in advance? Or negated because they deserve the

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Thursday, July 4, 2013 6:38:31 AM UTC+5:30, Oscar Benjamin wrote: And also, let's end this and all the related discussions about trolling and how to deal with trolls. I can see how some are annoyed by Νίκος and his posts but I for one am *much more* concerned/bothered by the surrounding

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-03 Thread rurpy
On 07/03/2013 09:07 PM, rusi wrote: [...] I got into it because I felt Chris had done more service to Nikos and the list than others and then was being misrepresented. I don't know why you think I misrepresented him. I questioned the morality of his accepting access to Nikos' server and then

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 02-07-13 01:17, Denis McMahon schreef: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 20:42:48 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: How about the following comprimise. Let me know what you think about this. How about you just ignore him. Why about you just ignore me? Serious, a lot of people here seem to think that if

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Simmons
Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 1/7/2013 12:31 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: I don't know about the other members of this list but I am becoming increasingly disturbed by the rudeness and especially the foul language that is being perpetrated on this thread. Please, if you have any

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:34:42 -0700, rusi wrote: 2. I am killfiling you is bullying behavior. It is worse than useless because a. The problem cases couldn't care a hoot b. Those who could contribute usefully are shut up c. The messengers are being shot as substitute for the culprits I don't

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 21:28, Joshua Landau schreef: Well then you are wrong. But fine, I'll use your definition incorrect as it may be (when talking to you, please don't misrepresent my other posts). Nevertheless, these statements that we are talking about, that I shall now term pseudo-insults, are

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Why about you just ignore me? Serious, a lot of people here seem to think that if someone is bothered by someone else, the bothered person should just ignore the botherer. That is until something starts

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 21:32, Joshua Landau schreef: On 1 July 2013 20:18, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 01-07-13 17:33, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Okay, thank you for explaining the situation. Now, please stop baiting Nikos. I am not baiting Nikos. I know he mentions this two

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 02-07-13 00:12, Steven D'Aprano schreef: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 20:42:48 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: How about the following comprimise. I'll get myself a second identity. Every respons I make to Nikos will be done with the same identity. Normal python exchanges will be done with the other.

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Fine you give me an opportunity to point out the problems in your thinking without giving yourself the opportunity to respond. I can live with that. And by continuing to rant, you just make other people sick of

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 02-07-13 09:43, Ian Kelly schreef: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Why about you just ignore me? Serious, a lot of people here seem to think that if someone is bothered by someone else, the bothered person should just ignore the botherer.

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 2 July 2013 08:22, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 01-07-13 21:28, Joshua Landau schreef: Well then you are wrong. But fine, I'll use your definition incorrect as it may be (when talking to you, please don't misrepresent my other posts). Nevertheless, these

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 02-07-13 11:34, Joshua Landau schreef: No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no idea how you came up with that. Please answer the following question. If someone behaved incompetently, how can I clearly state that fact when incompetently is seen as an insult and

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Denis McMahon
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 10:16:37 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: I would like people to have that in mind when they try to tell others to just ignore the behaviour that bothers them. Maybe it would help them to be a bit more patient to those who have trouble following the advise. It's quite clear

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Op 02-07-13 11:34, Joshua Landau schreef: No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no idea how you came up with that. Please answer the following question. If someone behaved incompetently, how

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread rusi
A plague is raging in the town A rat scampers into the room. People are harried --- A RAT! Rurpy: Rats are living beings dont you know?! Never kill a living being! Its not humanitarian, er rattatitarian. (200 more posts on humanitarianism, veganism, rattatitarianism etc) Alex: Hear Hear! But

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Walter Hurry
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 07:14:42 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:34:42 -0700, rusi wrote: 2. I am killfiling you is bullying behavior. It is worse than useless because a. The problem cases couldn't care a hoot b. Those who could contribute usefully are shut up c. The

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Joshua Landau joshua.landau...@gmail.com writes: On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Please answer the following question. If someone behaved incompetently, how can I clearly state that fact when incompetently is seen as an insult and insults don't

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 2 July 2013 23:34, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Joshua Landau joshua.landau...@gmail.com writes: There is not ever a place on this list where you will need to call someone incompetent. So even if that term describes their behaviour and manner, you think no-one should ever

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:53:53 +, Denis McMahon wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 10:16:37 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: I would like people to have that in mind when they try to tell others to just ignore the behaviour that bothers them. Maybe it would help them to be a bit more patient to those

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread rurpy
Since this thread too has gone into the trash hole thanks to our resident trolls I might as well comment... On 07/02/2013 04:34 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Joshua Landau joshua.landau...@gmail.com writes: On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon antoon.par...@rece.vub.ac.be wrote: Please answer the

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Joshua Landau joshua.landau...@gmail.com writes: Firstly, describing someone's behaviour and describing someone's character are two completely different things. I agree with that. Antoon is describing people's character. I disagree with that. To merely describe someone as “incompetent” is

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 3 July 2013 01:36, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I think we've found the root of the disagreement. I've made my position clear and will let it rest there. Seconded. Thanks for caring enough about this community to act in the interest of keeping it open, considerate, and

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 17:30:32 -0700, rurpy wrote: Needless to say, I disagree with your position. There is no place for baseless insults in this community; but when the behaviour of someone in this community is harmful, then it is entirely appropriate to use clear terms (e.g. “incompetent”,

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-02 Thread rurpy
On 07/02/2013 05:18 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: On 2 July 2013 23:34, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: [...] Needless to say, I disagree with your position. There is no place for baseless insults in this community; but when the behaviour of someone in this community is harmful, then

OT Plague [was Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list]

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 06:48:59 -0700, rusi wrote: A plague is raging in the town A rat scampers into the room. People are harried --- A RAT! [...] Very imaginative, but your characterisation of people's responses to the plague rat appears to have very little in common with the actual

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 30-06-13 22:14, Νίκος schreef: Στις 30/6/2013 10:58 μμ, ο/η Robert Kern έγραψε: On 2013-06-30 18:24, Νίκος wrote: Στις 29/6/2013 8:00 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε: Why this when the approach to Nick the Incompetant Greek has been to roll out the red carpet? Your mother is incompetent

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 30-06-13 23:57, Joshua Landau schreef: On 30 June 2013 20:58, Robert Kernrobert.k...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-30 18:24, Νίκος wrote: Στις 29/6/2013 8:00 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε: Why this when the approach to Nick the Incompetant Greek has been to roll out the red carpet? Your

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 9:23 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Enough is enough. Iam not a troll, neither incompetent. Period. No not period. You have by your behaviour made yourself a reputation of being an incompetent inconsiderate jerk. You don't lose such a repuation by simply claiming you are not.

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 9:37 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Remember that Nick is as much a human as all of us, he is bound to have his feelings hurt when so many people pick on him -- whether they are justified or not. So? Should we particularly care about Nikos's feelings? Nikos is not the victim, he

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 09:52, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 9:23 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Enough is enough. Iam not a troll, neither incompetent. Period. No not period. You have by your behaviour made yourself a reputation of being an incompetent inconsiderate jerk. You don't lose such a repuation

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 09:55, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 9:37 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Remember that Nick is as much a human as all of us, he is bound to have his feelings hurt when so many people pick on him -- whether they are justified or not. So? Should we particularly care about Nikos's

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 11:54 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or sod off. Preferably do the latter. Oh we do have illusions of grandeur, don't we? You are in no position to judge who is useful on this list or not. I'am not waste any

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 11:05, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 11:54 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or sod off. Preferably do the latter. Oh we do have illusions of grandeur, don't we? You are in no position to judge who is useful on this

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Steve Simmons
Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 1/7/2013 11:54 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or sod off. Preferably do the latter. Oh we do have illusions of grandeur, don't we? You are in no position to judge who is useful on this

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 12:32 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Op 01-07-13 11:05, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 11:54 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or sod off. Preferably do the latter. Oh we do have illusions of grandeur, don't we? You

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 12:31 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: I don't know about the other members of this list but I am becoming increasingly disturbed by the rudeness and especially the foul language that is being perpetrated on this thread. Please, if you have any decency at all, continue the rest of

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 11:37, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 12:32 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: The above is a first class illustration of why I think you are problematic. We don't want you to explain yourself, we want you to change your behaviour. Someone behaving like a jerk explaining himself is

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 11:46, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 12:31 μμ, ο/η Steve Simmons έγραψε: I don't know about the other members of this list but I am becoming increasingly disturbed by the rudeness and especially the foul language that is being perpetrated on this thread. Please, if you have any

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:52:28 +0300, Νίκος wrote: All i did was asking for help for issues i couldn't solve. That what everybody would do if he couldn't help himself solve something. [...] So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or sod off. Preferably do the

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 14:43, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see what problem you are trying to solve today. Nikos is not trying to solve a problem in this thread. What happened is that the original poster here got a rather short answer to his

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 3:28 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Did i told you to fuck off? Well never mind. Fuck off! I think this needs some work. You need more creativity. Try to think of something more forceful. My little niece of 10 can do better than that. Well i could, but i don't want to spend my

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 3:43 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:52:28 +0300, Νίκος wrote: All i did was asking for help for issues i couldn't solve. That what everybody would do if he couldn't help himself solve something. [...] So shut your piehole and start proving yourself

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Andrew Berg
On 2013.07.01 08:28, Νίκος wrote: So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from this guy? If that happened to you, wouldn't you feel the need and urge to reply back and stand for yourself? You can ignore it (this is the best solution) or you can take it off-list.

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:56:54 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 01-07-13 09:55, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 9:37 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Remember that Nick is as much a human as all of us, he is bound to have his feelings hurt when so many people pick on him -- whether they are justified

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread rusi
On Monday, July 1, 2013 7:31:18 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hurry wrote: Please...enough. Polite request: consider killfiling him and having done with it. It is irritating to see all the responses even though I killfiled him long ago. Whilst I realise, of course, that it is entirely your

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2013-07-01, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: To wit: 1. Kill-filing/spam-filtering are tools for spam. Nikos is certainly not spamming in the sense of automated sending out of cooked mail to zillions of recipients/lists. His posts are definite and intentional I disagree. Kill-files are

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:28:52 +0300, Νίκος wrote: Στις 1/7/2013 3:43 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: [...] The above of course assumes that I have not kill-filed you for continuing to be abusive on-list. So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from this guy?

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:08:18 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 01-07-13 14:43, Steven D'Aprano schreef: Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see what problem you are trying to solve today. Nikos is not trying to solve a problem in this thread. What happened is

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread rusi
On Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04:11 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time helping me. Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not permanent,

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 6:34 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time helping me. Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not permanent, and take this time

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 6:00 μμ, ο/η rusi έγραψε: On Monday, July 1, 2013 7:31:18 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hurry wrote: Please...enough. Polite request: consider killfiling him and having done with it. It is irritating to see all the responses even though I killfiled him long ago. Whilst I realise, of

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 6:34 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε: The above of course assumes that I have not kill-filed you for continuing to be abusive on-list. So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from this guy? If that happened to you, wouldn't you feel the need and urge to

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Joshua Landau
On 1 July 2013 16:49, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04:11 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote: And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time helping me. Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now kill-filing

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Νίκος
Στις 1/7/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Joshua Landau έγραψε: So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It is not hard to avoid making your

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Joshua Landau
On 1 July 2013 18:15, Νίκος ni...@superhost.gr wrote: Στις 1/7/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Joshua Landau έγραψε: So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you two in particular are causing a lot of trouble

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread rusi
On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote: So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing the list. This 'and' is type-wrong. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the

Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

2013-07-01 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 01-07-13 16:01, Walter Hurry schreef: On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:56:54 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: Op 01-07-13 09:55, Νίκος schreef: Στις 1/7/2013 9:37 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε: Remember that Nick is as much a human as all of us, he is bound to have his feelings hurt when so many people

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