Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-29 Thread Magnus Lycka
Roy Smith wrote: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked for

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-29 Thread John Salerno
Magnus Lycka wrote: In other words, Python has to a significant taken over the role Perl had. This seems relevant to that thought (although it's not working right now): http://suttree.com/2006/09/02/php-is-the-new-classic/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-29 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Magnus Lycka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, Python has to a significant taken over the role Perl had. Perl once succeeded because it was in the right place at the right time, but it's failed in the long ruin because it can't handle the complexity of real

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-29 Thread gregarican
Lots of folks have pointed out large scale Python success stories ranging from NASA to Google to Amazon. Such companies should make for good PHB fodder in your argument. Most likely if the product manager is just a drone you can throw in some other acceptable norm. Since IronPython and Microsoft's

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-27 Thread John J. Lee
Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it.

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-27 Thread John J. Lee
Carl Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Still don't know whether labeling something as written in Python is intended to be a badge of honor or advance warning. :-) I'm always surprised when people name *applications* with 'Py' in the name, unless they're squarely aimed at the geek market

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-26 Thread codefire
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: Unfortunately, if management goes further down the page, they find Ruby and D (when did that get out) both rated so many up arrows they had to use shorthand notation to represent 14 arrows... Yes, there is no doubt Ruby is gaining traction - mostly due to the

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Sybren Stuvel
Roy Smith enlightened us with: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread GHUM
Roy Smith schrieb: Can anybody suggest some good material I can give to him which will help explain what Python is and why it's a good thing, in a way that a marketing/product management person will understand? please also look for the Python success stories There is also a aviation control

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Kay Schluehr
Roy Smith wrote: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked for permission

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread rdsteph
Roy Smith wrote: Can anybody suggest some good material I can give to him which will help explain what Python is and why it's a good thing, in a way that a marketing/product management person will understand? As a sometimes marketing droid on my day job (please don't tell anyone!) I think

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Roy Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Number of job listings on internet job listing boards. I just did a quick survey for Perl and Python jobs on some of the big IT job boards. I came up with: Site Perl Python Hotjobs 2756 655 Monster 1000

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Roy Smith wrote: 5. Number of job listings on internet job listing boards. I just did a quick survey for Perl and Python jobs on some of the big IT job boards. I came up with: Site Perl Python Hotjobs 2756 655 Monster 1000 317 Dice 4828

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread rdsteph
Fredrik Lundh wrote: I think the use of applications here implies new applications, not applications still in use somewhere. Good point, Fredrik. I do recall that, a few years ago, I graphed the *growth rate* of new Sourceforge projects written in Python vs. the same for Perl, and it was a

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread John Salerno
Roy Smith wrote: Can anybody suggest some good material I can give to him which will help explain what Python is and why it's a good thing, in a way that a marketing/product management person will understand? You might want to take a look at Chapter 1 of Programming Python (3rd edition,

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread codefire
Might be handy to point out that the Python version will be easier (and therefore cheaper) to maintain compared to the Perl version. As someone said there are numerous success stories at python.org. You could also point him at : http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Although Perl is higher than Python

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
codefire wrote: I think Google also gives a pretty big endorsement of Python (as you wanted the marketing angle). or, depending on what part of the IT ecosystem you spend most of your time in, Microsoft (IronPython). /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Carl Banks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a sometimes marketing droid on my day job (please don't tell anyone!) I think you should point out that, while 5-10 years ago Perl was more popular and widely used than Python, Python has been growing at a much higher rate, and by many (most?) measurements, Python

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Carl Banks
Roy Smith wrote: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked for permission

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-25 Thread Roy Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], codefire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might be handy to point out that the Python version will be easier (and therefore cheaper) to maintain compared to the Perl version. As someone said there are numerous success stories at python.org. You could also point him at

Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-24 Thread Roy Smith
I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked for permission to distribute the

Re: Talking to marketing people about Python

2006-09-24 Thread Steve Holden
Roy Smith wrote: I'm working on a product which for a long time has had a Perl binding for our remote access API. A while ago, I wrote a Python binding on my own, chatted it up a bit internally, and recently had a (large) customer enquire about getting access to it. I asked for