On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 1:28:04 PM UTC-4, Rob Cliffe wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who replied.  All replies were constructive, none 
> were telling me to stop belly-aching. 

Hi, Dan says:
When you get your style ideas sort of frozen, maybe you can poke up a sample 
here.

Aworked example for yourself is useful anyway.

My stuffs all in Ubuntu so seeing what works and doesn't in MS products 
interests me a lot.

I usually avoid the tkk variations almost completely. I have all the things I 
use each wrapped in a call that does what I want both aesthetically and so on. 
My app is only medium sensitive to art look and feel, productivity to maintain 
it is more important then super fancy looking.

Regards,
Dan


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