What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Xah Lee
What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language 20050207, Xah Lee. In languages human or computer, there's a notion of expressiveness. English for example, is very expressive in manifestation, witness all the poetry and implications and allusions and connotations and dictions. There are a m

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread raptor
I think u are wrong.. I think perl is much more exrpressive in semantics than Python.. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:20:34 -0700, raptor wrote: > I think u are wrong.. I think perl is much more exrpressive in > semantics than Python.. Well, with such great command of natural language as you are displaying, how could anyone argue with your conclusion? -- Steven. -- http://mail.python.o

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Pete Barrett
On 10 Jul 2005 02:57:04 -0700, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Similarly, in computer languages, expressiveness is significant with >respect to semantics, not syntactical variation. > It may just be me, but I tend to think of a computer language as a tool for directing computers to perform s

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Jürgen Exner
Xah Lee wrote: > What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language[...] Just for the records at Google et.al. in case someone stumbles across Xah's masterpieces in the future: Xah is very well known as the resident troll in many NGs and his 'contributions' are less then useless

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread James Dennett
Pete Barrett wrote: > On 10 Jul 2005 02:57:04 -0700, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Similarly, in computer languages, expressiveness is significant with >>respect to semantics, not syntactical variation. >> > > It may just be me, but I tend to think of a computer language as a > too

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Thompson
"Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language > > 20050207, Xah Lee. +---+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.:

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Kenny McCormack
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 10 Jul 2005 02:57:04 -0700, "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Similarly, in computer languages, expressiveness is significant with >>respect to semantics, not syntactical variation. >> >It may just be me, but I tend

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Matthias Buelow
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:20:34 -0700, raptor wrote: > >> I think u are wrong.. I think perl is much more exrpressive in >> semantics than Python.. > >Well, with such great command of natural language as you are displaying, >how could anyone argue with you

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Casey Hawthorne
It is easier to write code a computer can understand than others can understand! It is harder to read code than to write code! -- Regards, Casey -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Ramon F Herrera
[Peter Barret wrote:] > It may just be me, but I tend to think of a computer language as a > tool for directing computers to perform specific actions. Do we talk > about the expressiveness of a spade? yes, it is just you. :-) Your comparison is a very poor match. How can you even begin to compa

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Randy Howard
Keith Thompson wrote (in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): >\/| |\| __\,,\ /,,/__ > \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__) > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > ==

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Erik Max Francis
Randy Howard wrote: > Out of curiosity, does anyone remember who 'jgs' refers to > above? A Google search for "ascii art jgs" shows it's Joan Stark. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfrancis The decree

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Robert Gamble
Randy Howard wrote: > Keith Thompson wrote > (in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > > > >\/| |\| __\,,\ /,,/__ > > \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__) > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread Paul Bilnoski
> The barbar generals will just grunt while the French generals > will inspire with some poetic invocation. For auction: One authentic French army-issued rifle. Only dropped once. --Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-10 Thread CBFalconer
Paul Bilnoski wrote: > >> The barbar generals will just grunt while the French generals >> will inspire with some poetic invocation. > > For auction: > One authentic French army-issued rifle. Only dropped once. What has that got to do with the king of the elephants? -- "If you want to post a

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-11 Thread Default User
Randy Howard wrote: > Keith Thompson wrote > (in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>): > > > >\/| |\| __\,,\ /,,/__ > > \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__) > > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > > ==

Re: What is Expresiveness in a Computer Language?

2005-07-12 Thread Xah Lee
Most participants in the computering industry should benefit in reading this essay: George Orwell's “Politics and the English Language”, 1946. Annotated: http://xahlee.org/p/george_orwell_english.html Xah [EMAIL PROTECTED] ∑ http://xahlee.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth