Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-14 Thread Noah Hall
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 1/13/2012 3:42 PM, Noah Hall wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tamer Higazith9...@googlemail.com  wrote: dear people! I have just opened my MTU client, and figured out that through my comment, i caused a complete

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:41 PM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: Oh please. Don't tar me with the Windows brush. Wouldn't the Windows brush zip you instead? ChrisA definitely ready for the weekend now -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?] (OT)

2012-01-13 Thread Stefan Behnel
Noah Hall, 13.01.2012 08:29: I'M SO COOL USE MY HARDCORE GENTOO INSTALL THAT TOOK 36 HOURS AND SHAVED 2 SECONDS OFF MY BOOTUP TIME Just an off-topic thing that your comment above reminded me of: has anyone ever noticed that there are even quick install guides for Gentoo Linux? I think that's

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?] (OT)

2012-01-13 Thread Noah Hall
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Noah Hall, 13.01.2012 08:29: I'M SO COOL USE MY HARDCORE GENTOO INSTALL THAT TOOK 36 HOURS AND SHAVED 2 SECONDS OFF MY BOOTUP TIME Just an off-topic thing that your comment above reminded me of: has anyone ever

Re: Zealotry

2012-01-13 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
will have to use Windows if I want to easily run that software, I don't accuse them of being a zealot. Agreed. Giving a recommendation for a different OS is not zealotry. Even if it were expressed passionately (and I don't think this case qualifies), a recommendation of software on its

Re: Zealotry

2012-01-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote: Recommending an OS to solve one python package installation is zealotry. At least, advise to use a virtual machine software to try it out, there are some VM softwares for free working with windows. If I

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
of zealotry. If you want to accuse me of anything, it is use of weasel words like some Windows users [citation required]. But not straw man. That may be true, but the advice remains reasonable advice. If somebody asks you how to get from Iceland to Norway by car, it is perfectly reasonable

Re: Zealotry

2012-01-13 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmic...@sequans.com wrote: Recommending an OS to solve one python package installation is zealotry. At least, advise to use a virtual machine software to try it out, there are some VM softwares for free working

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread John Gordon
In 4f0fbad0$0$29984$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: Why is it that only Linux and Mac users are accused of being zealots? Perhaps because Windows, being in a position of market dominance, doesn't *need* zealots. -- John Gordon

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Tamer Higazi
dear people! I have just opened my MTU client, and figured out that through my comment, i caused a complete NONSENSE discussion at all. 1. I am not a zealot or whatever. I code on Linux and port it on MAC and WINDOWS. I do write solutions for customers across the whole 3 platform, and mostly I

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Noah Hall
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: dear people! I have just opened my MTU client, and figured out that through my comment, i caused a complete NONSENSE discussion at all. 1. I am not a zealot or whatever. I code on Linux and port it on MAC and

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/13/2012 3:42 PM, Noah Hall wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Tamer Higazith9...@googlemail.com wrote: dear people! I have just opened my MTU client, and figured out that through my comment, i caused a complete NONSENSE discussion at all. 1. I am not a zealot or whatever. I code

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:32:06 +, John Gordon wrote: In 4f0fbad0$0$29984$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info writes: Why is it that only Linux and Mac users are accused of being zealots? Perhaps because Windows, being in a position of

Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:50:13 -0800, alex23 wrote: Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: So, instead of making yourself continuously headache for an outdated OS I advise [...] Please don't recommend people use another OS when they ask an explicit question about a particular OS. It just

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-12 Thread alex23
On Jan 13, 3:02 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Why is it that only Linux and Mac users are accused of being zealots? Oh please. Don't tar me with the Windows brush. I'd have used the same term no matter what OS was being recommended. If I ask how to install

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-12 Thread alex23
On Jan 13, 3:02 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Why is it that only Linux and Mac users are accused of being zealots? Incidentally, in the post I replied to, Tamer was talking about Windows 7, so there's that too. Are you just riding out the Friday afternoon

Re: Zealotry

2012-01-12 Thread Ben Finney
to easily run that software, I don't accuse them of being a zealot. Agreed. Giving a recommendation for a different OS is not zealotry. Even if it were expressed passionately (and I don't think this case qualifies), a recommendation of software on its merits is still not zealotry. When someone

Re: Zealotry

2012-01-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Giving a recommendation for a different OS is not zealotry. The line to zealotry is (probably) crossed when _every_ problem is met with Install XYZ then. But that can still be correct. If you're currently using flat

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-12 Thread Noah Hall
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 5:47 AM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 3:02 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Why is it that only Linux and Mac users are accused of being zealots? Incidentally, in the post I replied to, Tamer was talking about Windows 7,

Re: Zealotry [was Re: how to install lxml in window xp?]

2012-01-12 Thread Stefan Behnel
. However, presenting this as the ultimate solution to any software installation problems is clear zealotry in my eyes, because it ignores the fact that software from unknown third-party sources may simply not be a valid alternative in a given setting, e.g. on a company computer. As usual, it's not all