Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-13 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article 5aaded58-af09-41dc-9afd-56d7b7ced...@d7g2000pbl.googlegroups.com, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP what i meant to point out is that Mathematica deals with numbers at a high-level human way. That is, one doesn't think in terms of float, long, int, double. These words are never

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-13 Thread John Nagle
On 3/7/2012 2:02 PM, Russ P. wrote: On Mar 6, 7:25 pm, rusirustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 6, 6:11 am, Xah Leexah...@gmail.com wrote: I might add that Mathematica is designed mainly for symbolic computation, whereas IEEE floating point numbers are intended for numerical computation.

RE: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-07 Thread Prasad, Ramit
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: It wouldn't surprise me to find out that modern CompSci degrees don't even discuss machine representation of numbers. As a fairly recent graduate, I can assure you that they still do. Well, I should say at least my school did since I cannot speak for every other

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-07 Thread Russ P.
On Mar 6, 7:25 pm, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 6, 6:11 am, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? It is a bit naive for computer scientists to club integers and reals

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Russ P.
On Mar 5, 10:34 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 5, 9:26 pm, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Of course they are.  Such concepts

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Chiron
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:11:09 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: Yes. Why do you ask? Is this not obvious? Was this a rhetorical question? -- A girl with a future avoids the man with a past. -- Evan Esar, The Humor of Humor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Chiron
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:34:46 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: while what you said is true, but the problem is that 99.99% of programers do NOT know this. They do not know Mathematica. They've never seen a Could you please offer some evidence to support this claim? Most of the programmers I've ever run

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Roy Smith
[intentionally violating the followup-to header] In article 7ol5r.29957$zd5.14...@newsfe12.iad, Chiron chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:34:46 -0800, Xah Lee wrote: while what you said is true, but the problem is that 99.99% of programers do NOT

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Calvin Kim
On 03/06/2012 01:34 AM, Xah Lee wrote: while what you said is true, but the problem is that 99.99% of programers do NOT know this. They do not know Mathematica. They've never seen a language with such feature. The concept is alien. This is what i'd like to point out and spread awareness. I can

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread Westley Martínez
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 04:29:10PM -0500, Calvin Kim wrote: On 03/06/2012 01:34 AM, Xah Lee wrote: while what you said is true, but the problem is that 99.99% of programers do NOT know this. They do not know Mathematica. They've never seen a language with such feature. The concept is alien.

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-06 Thread rusi
On Mar 6, 6:11 am, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? It is a bit naive for computer scientists to club integers and reals as mathematicians do given that for real numbers, even

are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-05 Thread Xah Lee
some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Xah Lee wrote: «… One easy way to measure it is whether a programer can read and understand a program without having to delve into its idiosyncrasies. …» Chris Angelico wrote

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-05 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 06/03/2012 01:11, Xah Lee wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Whatever you're taking please can I have some? Is it available via an NHS prescription or do I have to go private, or do I go down the pub

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-05 Thread Westley Martínez
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 05:11:09PM -0800, Xah Lee wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Xah Lee wrote: «… One easy way to measure it is whether a programer can read and understand a program without having

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Roberts
Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Of course they are. Such concepts violate the purity of a computer language's abstraction of the underlying hardware. We accept that violation

Re: are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?

2012-03-05 Thread Xah Lee
On Mar 5, 9:26 pm, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote: some additional info i thought is relevant. are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering? Of course they are.  Such concepts violate the purity of a computer language's abstraction