Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-05 Thread Lie
I mean, really, I've been using web-mail and various varieties of remote storage for over a decade.  What is *new* about the concept?  (I see some hints above, but it's mixed in with a lot of other stuff...) In essence, you're correct, this concept of cloud computing actually have existed

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Nikolas Karalis
I read a few things about this on the web, and i still don't get the difference between cloud computing and grid computing... It looks like the same. Nikolas On Jan 2, 2008 3:46 AM, PatrickMinnesota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 1, 7:12 pm, Neil Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cloud

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Sparks
Aaron Watters wrote: (from a gmail account) So cloud computing is java diskless workstations warmed over but less flexible? I'm having trouble understanding why people would want to buy in to this. Why do you like gmail - since you appear to use it? (I can think of several possibilities)

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Aaron Watters
I must admit I feel a hint of amusement though at your comment above, when it's sent from precisely the sort of setup you appear bemused by - since you appear to have already bought into it without realising ! :-D Ok, so if we include yahoo mail and gmail in cloud computing then I guess

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread PatrickMinnesota
On Jan 2, 9:33 am, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit I feel a hint of amusement though at your comment above, when it's sent from precisely the sort of setup you appear bemused by - since you appear to have already bought into it without realising ! :-D Ok, so if we

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Terry Reedy
PatrickMinnesota [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | I would say that the biggest difference between what people have been | doing | for decades and what is now being referred to as 'cloud computing' is | the applications. Having welcomed the shift from timeshare to

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Terry Reedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. yes, cost. University mainframes cost $s/minute. I remember blowing about $200 due to a misplaced comma or something in a statistical analysis setup. So it was cost-effective (and rather liberating) to spend $1 on a

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-02 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, so if we include yahoo mail and gmail in cloud computing then I guess usenet is also cloud computing. Usenet actually is a good example of cloud computing, but only at the article distribution level. Netnews clients are

cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread Aaron Watters
So, in between skiing runs I noticed a Business Week cover story on cloud computing. The article had lots of interesting information in it like about how somebody's mom used to be an airline stewardess and the interior decor of various office spaces. It was a truly excellent piece of journalism.

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread PatrickMinnesota
On Jan 1, 3:26 pm, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, in between skiing runs I noticed a Business Week cover story on cloud computing. The article had lots of interesting information in it like about how somebody's mom used to be an airline stewardess and the interior decor of

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread PatrickMinnesota
On Jan 1, 3:26 pm, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, in between skiing runs I noticed a Business Week cover story on cloud computing. The article had lots of interesting information in it like about how somebody's mom used to be an airline stewardess and the interior decor of

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:55:10 -0800, PatrickMinnesota wrote: The idea is that your data and applications are on the net, rather than your local hard drive. Or, to put it another way, your data and applications are controlled by another company rather than you. Not that I wish to be cynical or

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread Aaron Watters
On Jan 1, 5:05 pm, Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au wrote: On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:55:10 -0800, PatrickMinnesota wrote: The idea is that your data and applications are on the net, rather than your local hard drive. Or, to put it another way, your data and applications are

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread Cameron Laird
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, in between skiing runs I noticed a Business Week cover story on cloud computing. The article had lots of interesting information in it like about how somebody's mom used to be an airline stewardess and the interior decor of

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread Neil Hodgson
Cloud computing is mostly about scalability. You do not need to be concerned so much about low level infrastructure details such as purchasing servers, configuring and maintaining them, hiring space in data centres, linking up data centres, etc. It converts a lot of fixed costs into lower

Re: cloud computing (and python)?

2008-01-01 Thread PatrickMinnesota
On Jan 1, 7:12 pm, Neil Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cloud computing is mostly about scalability. You do not need to be concerned so much about low level infrastructure details such as purchasing servers, configuring and maintaining them, hiring space in data centres, linking up data