Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:00:02 +0200, Renato Ramonda wrote:
> Hiding the source code does not make software more secure. Any bugs and
> security holes will be there whether the software is distributed in source
> code, object code, or something in betwee
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Under Unix it's not all that hard to accidentally create files
> like that. Sometimes you have to resort to blasting them away
> by i-node number, or by moving the files you want to keep and
> then nuking the directory.
A standard practice on our early U
On 2005-06-19, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Such lovely things allowed as: embedding non-printable control
> characters into file names.
Don't most OSes allow that? Unix does, and IIRC VMS did as
well. In VMS there was a system call that let you change the
name shown by
Dave Cook wrote:
> On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
>>(or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
>>distributing the source code isn't it?
>
> 14 and he already wants to horde his source co
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see your point, although I don't think there is much a 14 year old
> can do to sue someone. . . I'm sure my code won't be that valuable
> untill I'm older though. Thanks
It's valuable as something to show prospective employers or clients: "I
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
> (or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
> distributing the source code isn't it?
14 and he already wants to horde his source code.
Dave Cook
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Hi Cpunerd4,
For beginners, I would strongly recommend checking out
http://www.GreenTeaPress.com -- they publish a FREE, online book that is
used in Highschools and other educational facilities to teach Python
programming. Excellent -- a must have for those who wish to learn about
the languag
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:43:24 -0400, Chinook wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Your weigh-in on semantics is misleading,
How is it misleading?
> but your elaboration of the aspect is very well put.
>
> As to semantics, piracy is to the originator what freedom fighter is to those
> that perceive themselve
Harlin Seritt wrote:
> Am I the only one who wonders this: If Python at runtime runs
> very much like Java and has generally about the same speed (or faster),
> then why in the world isn't Java becoming more archaic and being
> steadily replaced by Python? I ask this not as a rhetorical question,
>
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Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On 18 Jun 2005 07:48:13 -0700, "cpunerd4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed
> the following in comp.lang.python:
>
>
>>even so,
>>crackers have a harder time getting into compiled programs rather than
>>intepreted languages. I know hiding the code won't stop all crackers
>
Renato Ramonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only system (apart from solaris, I guess) that has a JVM by default
> is OSX, and it's _NOT_ sun's one, but the internally developed one.
Apple licenses Sun's JVM and makes the modifications necessary to run
it on OSX. I know I'm being a pedant, bu
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
>> compiled into another language (ie. it needs python installed in order
>> to run programs). Is this correct?
>
> It's just like Java. It's compiled into bytecode and then the
> byt
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:00:35 -0400, Steven D'Aprano wrote
(in article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:05:59 -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, protecting you from someone else making money off a copy of
>> your program is basically what licenses are for, and if you have
> So true. Am I the only one who wonders this: If Python at runtime runs
> very much like Java and has generally about the same
> speed (or faster)
rofl
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:05:59 -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
> Furthermore, protecting you from someone else making money off a copy of
> your program is basically what licenses are for, and if you have noticed
> they don't protect even Microsoft (see, for example, entire governments
> like the Indo
cpunerd4 wrote:
> I see your point, although I don't think there is much a 14 year old
> can do to sue someone. . . I'm sure my code won't be that valuable
> untill I'm older though. Thanks
You're probably wrong on the first count, and whether you're wrong on
the second is entirely up to you. ;-)
I see your point, although I don't think there is much a 14 year old
can do to sue someone. . . I'm sure my code won't be that valuable
untill I'm older though. Thanks
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cpunerd4 wrote:
> even so,
> crackers have a harder time getting into compiled programs rather than
> intepreted languages. I know hiding the code won't stop all crackers
> but it will stop some of the casual theifs won't it? It's not so much
> that they could steal code, it's that they could alter
by the way, you guys have talked me out of java. Im thinking about this
py2exe thing. (anyother suggestions)
I like this list. :)
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even so,
crackers have a harder time getting into compiled programs rather than
intepreted languages. I know hiding the code won't stop all crackers
but it will stop some of the casual theifs won't it? It's not so much
that they could steal code, it's that they could alter it and release
it somewer
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what I mean by secure is that no one can steal the code.
Distributing bytecode (Java or Python) vs. source only makes
little difference if your code is really worth stealing.
Distributing compiled C code will make it a little more
difficult, bu
cpunerd4 wrote:
> what I mean by secure is that no one can steal the code. I want to
> create comercial applications eventually. (although I will work on open
> source I hope, so don't get mad at me) and calling me cpunerd4 will be
> fine.
Commercial applications don't suffer from code-stealing. T
Grant Edwards ha scritto:
> Python is required and Java is optional and not installed by
> default in the Linux distros I'm familiar with.
>
> I don't know how many Windows systems have Java installed.
> I don't think any of mine do.
It's pretty much the other way round: java CANNOT be included
cpunerd4 ha scritto:
>
> Another reason I was thinging java was because you can
> run it in the browser.
Bad idea in 99% of the cases: applets are evil.
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what I mean by secure is that no one can steal the code. I want to
create comercial applications eventually. (although I will work on open
source I hope, so don't get mad at me) and calling me cpunerd4 will be
fine.
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:00:02 +0200, Renato Ramonda wrote:
> cpunerd4 ha scritto:
>> thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
>> (or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
>> distributing the source code isn't it?
>
> As in "protecting your code from
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what is this py2exe thing?
> Is py2exe included?
> Where can I find it?
http://www.google.com/search?q=py2exe
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what is this py2exe thing? I think its what i've been looking
for...(and inno setup was in my plans (or maby null soft
installer...)). Another reason I was thinging java was because you can
run it in the browser.
Is py2exe included? Where can I find it?
thanks,
cpunerd4
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On 2005-06-18, Renato Ramonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And also, from what I know, the Java virtual machine is more
>> popular (and installed on more computers).
>
> And it is also HUGE, so anyone NOT having it will think twice
> before downloading it only for your app. Python on the other
>
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
> (or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
> distributing the source code isn't it?
A little. Not much. You don't have to distribute Python
source code,
cpunerd4 ha scritto:
> thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
> (or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
> distributing the source code isn't it?
As in "protecting your code from prying eyes"?
Then java is exactly like python: I can distribute a
thanks all for the advice. The reason I was thinking about using java
(or C or something) was that it is a little more secure than
distributing the source code isn't it? And also, from what I know, the
Java virtual machine is more popular (and installed on more computers).
Although it might take me
Another thing to keep in mind is that while technically both Python and
Java are converted into intermediate byte-codes, which are then
interpreted, the Java Virtual Machine runs java bytecode significantly
faster. Partly this is because Sun have put a lot of effort into making
Java as fast as poss
Harlin Seritt wrote:
> Am I the only one who wonders this: If Python at runtime runs
> very much like Java and has generally about the same speed (or faster),
> then why in the world isn't Java becoming more archaic and being
> steadily replaced by Python? I ask this not as a rhetorical question,
>
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
>> compiled into another language (ie. it needs python installed in order
>> to run programs). Is this correct?
>It's just like Java. It's compiled into bytecode and then
[Paul Rubin wrote]
> Try "Dive Into Python", www.diveintopython.org (site is very slow
> right now, try later).
Note that "Dive Into Python" is included in the ActivePython Windows
compiled help file so you can read and search it locally:
http://ftp.activestate.com/ActivePython/etc/ActivePyth
On 2005-06-18, cpunerd4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
> compiled into another language (ie. it needs python installed in order
> to run programs). Is this correct?
It's just like Java. It's compiled into bytecode and then the
b
"cpunerd4" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I stumbled onto the python language by chance and it looks like a
> great language. Although from what I've read so far (which isn't much)
> I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
> compiled into another language (ie. it need
cpunerd4 wrote:
> Hello programmers,
> I stumbled onto the python language by chance and it looks like a
> great language. Although from what I've read so far (which isn't much)
> I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
> compiled into another language (ie. it needs
Hello programmers,
I stumbled onto the python language by chance and it looks like a
great language. Although from what I've read so far (which isn't much)
I've guessed that python is purely an interpreted language unless its
compiled into another language (ie. it needs python installed in order
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