Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-21 Thread Xah Lee
Dear Andrea Griffini, Thanks for explaning this tricky underneath stuff. Xah [EMAIL PROTECTED] ∑ http://xahlee.org/ Andrea Griffini wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:25:13 -0500, Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS is there any difference between t=t+[li] t.append(li) No, but

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-21 Thread Andrea Griffini
On 20 Jun 2005 23:30:40 -0700, Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Andrea Griffini, Thanks for explaning this tricky underneath stuff. Actually it's the very logical consequence of the most basic rule about python. Variables are just pointers to values; so every time you assign to a variable

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Hancock
On Tuesday 21 June 2005 06:27 pm, Andrea Griffini wrote: On 20 Jun 2005 23:30:40 -0700, Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for explaning this tricky underneath stuff. Surely this is different from C/C++/Java, but it's IMO all but tricky or underneath. Made me feel like an idiot,

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Walter Roberson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In hindsight analysis, such language behavior forces the programer to fuse mathematical or algorithmic ideas with implementation details. A easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics there's no such thing as

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread pete
Xah Lee wrote: in coding Python yesterday, It seems to be giving you anxiety. Have you considered not coding on python? -- pete -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread SM Ryan
# easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics # there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. The whole point of Goedelisation was to add to name/value references into number theory. Thus Goedel was able to add back pointers contrary to the set hierarchy of the

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Walter Roberson wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In hindsight analysis, such language behavior forces the programer to fuse mathematical or algorithmic ideas with implementation details. A easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Michael Sparks
Jeremy Jones wrote: I think the only reason I read your posts is for comedy, Indeed. Xah Lee wrote: ... [ lots of stuff, that if Xah cared about Xah would attempt to write better docs, rather than criticise) ... ... Btw, behavior such as this one, common in imperative languages and info

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Jordan Rastrick
You can add Australia to the list :) Any volunteers for a fourth continent? Antarctica, perhaps? ;) - Jordan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Kaz Kylheku
SM Ryan wrote: # easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics # there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. The whole point of Goedelisation was to add to name/value references into number theory. Is that so? That implies that there is some table where you

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Kaz Kylheku
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A[n] easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. Yes there are such things in mathematics, though not necessarily under

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread SM Ryan
Kaz Kylheku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # SM Ryan wrote: # # easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics # # there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. # # The whole point of Goedelisation was to add to name/value references into # number theory. # # Is that

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Kaz Kylheku
SM Ryan wrote: Kaz Kylheku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # SM Ryan wrote: # # easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics # # there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. # # The whole point of Goedelisation was to add to name/value references into #

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-20 Thread Kaz Kylheku
SM Ryan wrote: Kaz Kylheku [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # SM Ryan wrote: # # easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics # # there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. # # The whole point of Goedelisation was to add to name/value references into #

references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-19 Thread Xah Lee
in coding Python yesterday, i was quite stung by the fact that lists appened to another list goes by as some so-called reference. e.g. t=range(5) n=range(3) n[0]='m' t.append(n) n[0]='h' t.append(n) print t in the following code, after some 1 hour, finally i found the solution of h[:]. (and

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-19 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
In hindsight analysis, such language behavior forces the programer to fuse mathematical or algorithmic ideas with implementation details. A easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. Mathematics also has no

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-19 Thread Jeremy Jones
I think the only reason I read your posts is for comedy, seeing if this is yet another Xah Lee just threw a tantrum post. I don't know why I'm wasting my time responding, though... It's against my better judgment and my previous advice to the group. Xah Lee wrote: in coding Python

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sunday 19 June 2005 05:34 pm, Xah Lee wrote: in coding Python yesterday, i was quite stung by the fact that lists appened to another list goes by as some so-called reference. e.g. t=range(5) n=range(3) n[0]='m' t.append(n) n[0]='h' t.append(n) print t Day one in learning Python, yes

Re: references/addrresses in imperative languages

2005-06-19 Thread Lawrence DâOliveiro
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A[n] easy way to see this, is to ask yourself: how come in mathematics there's no such thing as addresses/pointers/references. Yes there are such things in mathematics, though not necessarily under that name. For instance, in