Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Apologies for the dupe. It looked like something went wrong with the first send (and the first post was partly incorrect to begin with). -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Istvan Albert wrote: > No one is questioning one's right to try to sell a product/book etc. > But I happen to believe that trying to make money by selling the docs > is stupid, you'll scare away potential users, hinder the acceptance of > the product, further fragment the community of users needing

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Robert Kern
Istvan Albert wrote: > No one is questioning one's right to try to sell a product/book etc. > But I happen to believe that trying to make money by selling the docs > is stupid, you'll scare away potential users, hinder the acceptance of > the product, further fragment the community of users needing

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-09 Thread Istvan Albert
Fernando Perez wrote: > It's funny how I don't see anyone complaining about any of the Python books > sold here (or at any other publishing house): That is maybe because the language is fairly well documented to begin with. Try to imagine for a moment how many people would use Python if on the fi

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-07 Thread Fernando Perez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to > switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are > some comments about how that went. > > - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of > works. But it was a 90% s

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
On 6 Oct 2006 09:26:23 -0700, Istvan Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sturlamolden wrote: > > > Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some > > compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the > > developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as > >

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Scott David Daniels
Istvan Albert wrote: > sturlamolden wrote: > >> Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some >> compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the >> developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as > > Then charge for NumPy ... or write a book *besides*

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread Istvan Albert
sturlamolden wrote: > Those involved in the development of NumPy must receive some > compensation. Financial support to NumPy also ensure that the > developmentcan continue. I for one does not want to see NumPy as Then charge for NumPy ... or write a book *besides* the documentation. One in which

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-06 Thread sturlamolden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Given the quality of python's (free) documentation and how good it's > been for a very long time, it's bit ironic to be using the phrase > "normal open-source documentation" on this mailing list. Numeric > python, which numpy aspires to be a replacement for, has perfect

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread Travis Oliphant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Travis E. Oliphant wrote: > > > Given the quality of python's (free) documentation and how good it's > been for a very long time, it's bit ironic to be using the phrase > "normal open-source documentation" on this mailing list. Numeric > python, which numpy aspires to b

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Travis E. Oliphant wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > - I guess I should just buy the documentation. I don't like this idea, > > because I think it's counter-productive to the project to have payware > > docs (would Python be successful if you had to buy the documentation? I > > don't think so)

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sturlamolden wrote: > Travis E. Oliphant wrote: > > > Definitely not true. People in Singapore, Japan, Ghana, South Africa, > > France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and many other countries are > > using NumPy successfully. Gratefully, a few have contributed by buying > > the book, but a lot

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread sturlamolden
Travis E. Oliphant wrote: > Definitely not true. People in Singapore, Japan, Ghana, South Africa, > France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and many other countries are > using NumPy successfully. Gratefully, a few have contributed by buying > the book, but a lot more have downloaded and are s

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-04 Thread Travis E. Oliphant
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to > switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are > some comments about how that went. > > - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of > works. But it was a 90% so

Re: switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-03 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to > switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are > some comments about how that went. > > - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of > works. But it was a 90% so

switching to numpy and failing, a user story

2006-10-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After using numeric for almost ten years, I decided to attempt to switch a large codebase (python and C++) to using numpy. Here's are some comments about how that went. - The code to automatically switch python stuff over just kind of works. But it was a 90% solution, I could do the rest by hand.