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> From: wuwe...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: where are the program that are written in python?
> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:29:12 -0700
> To: python-list@python.org
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> Gregory Ewing wrote:
> > I came across
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> I came across a game on Big Fish Games recently (it was
> "The Moonstone" IIRC) that appeared to have been built using
> Python and py2app.
Python tends to be used more for scripting internal game logic than
for every aspect of a game (which is, IMO, the right way to go abo
On 23 Mai, 10:47, David Cournapeau wrote:
> I would rather say that Python vs C does not matter until it does,
I disagree. C matters because it is portable assembly code. Which
means it is tedious and error prone to use, so avoiding it actually
matters. Hence C matters. Knowing when and when not
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Lie Ryan wrote:
> But the point still hold, that in real life, often the language's raw
> speed doesn't really limit the program's speed.
I would rather say that Python vs C does not matter until it does, and
it generally does when constants factor matter (which
On 05/23/10 04:49, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 5/21/2010 11:03 PM, Lie Ryan wrote:
>> On 05/22/10 04:47, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> On 5/21/2010 6:21 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last 15+ years or so ? right ?
however
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, sturlamolden wrote:
> Yes I know about PyOpenGL, but then there is the speed argument: From
> C I can make epeated calls to functions like glVertex4f with minial
> loss of efficacy. Calling glVertex4f from Python (e.g. PyOpenGL) would
> give me the Python (and pos
On 22 Mai, 13:28, Tim Chase wrote:
> Just as an aside, last I checked, mercurial had some core code in
> C for speed.
I've been writing scrintific software for over 10 years. I always find
myself writing small pieces of C now and then. It is usally because
header files are too complicated to e
On 22 Mai, 20:45, Patrick Maupin wrote:
> I think we're in violent agreement here -- you neglected to quote the
> part where I said "(But the up-front choice of another language simply
> for speed, rather than prototyping with Python and then recoding the
> slow bits, would probably be a decision
Deep_Feelings wrote:
i will be interested more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python
I came across a game on Big Fish Games recently (it was
"The Moonstone" IIRC) that appeared to have been built using
Python and py2app.
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On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 11:20 -0700, Patrick Maupin wrote:
> On May 21, 5:21 am, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> > 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> > programs written in python ?
> There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
> company which thinks
On May 21, 10:30 pm, Chris Rebert wrote:
> Erm, in fairness, I recall hearing that some speed-critical bits of hg
> are written in C. It does lend credence to the "Python as glue
> language" argument though; I doubt hg's extensibility and friendly
> interface would have been as easy to implement
On May 22, 1:49 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Because, as I said, and as you explain further, Python favors programmer
> speed, including speed of testing new algorithms, over raw execution
> speed of current algorithms. (Current) speed is (also) easier to test
> than improvability and hence possible
On May 22, 2:43 am, sturlamolden wrote:
> On 21 Mai, 20:20, Patrick Maupin wrote:
> > Also, any company in a competitive
> > market where execution speed is extremely important might choose some
> > other language because, frankly, the fact that a development tool is
> > highly productive is not
On 5/21/2010 11:03 PM, Lie Ryan wrote:
On 05/22/10 04:47, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 5/21/2010 6:21 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last 15+ years or so ? right ?
however by having a look at this page
http://wiki.python.org/moin/Appl
On 22 Mai, 17:09, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote:
> Rewriting an algorithm also helps I/O-bound code
Yes it does, if it involves how we do I/O. Algorithms are just as
important for I/O bound as they are for compute bound code.
But implementing an algorithm in C as opposed to Python would not
In article ,
Tim Chase wrote:
>
>I'd also include that a change in algorithm can be a big help for
>speeding up CPU-bound code. It doesn't matter much if you're using
>Python or hand-coding that inner loop in C/ASM, if you're using a
>O(2^N) algorithm.
On 05/22/2010 02:43 AM, sturlamolden wrote:
That only applies to CPU bound program code (most program code is I/O
bound), and only to computational bottlenecks (usually less than 5% of
the code) in the CPU bound programs. Today, most programs are I/O
bound: You don't get a faster network connecti
thank you very much ,your reply guys are very nice and informative.
hope you best luck in your life
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On 21 Mai, 20:20, Patrick Maupin wrote:
> There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
> company which thinks it has a lock on some kind of super secret sauce
> isn't going to use Python, because it's very easy to reverse engineer
> even compiled Python programs.
Decompilin
On May 21, 9:12 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
> a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
> > In article
> > ,
> > Patrick Maupin wrote:
>
> > >There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
> > >company which thinks it has a lock on some kind of super secret sauce
> > >isn't going to use
On May 21, 8:45 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote:
> In article
> ,
> Patrick Maupin wrote:
> >There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
> >company which thinks it has a lock on some kind of super secret sauce
> >isn't going to use Python, because it's very easy to r
On 21 Mai, 12:21, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
You could search for them with Google and download your results
Bittorrent.
> is python a valid practical programming language ?
No, it is probably Turing incomplete.
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On May 21, 3:21 am, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> please don't mention programs where python was used as a glue ,those
> programs are not actually written in python.
I hate to answer a troll, but I'll just mention that when people talk
about a "glue language", they're not talking about using some Python
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Lie Ryan wrote:
> On 05/22/10 04:47, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 5/21/2010 6:21 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
>>> python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
>>> last 15+ years or so ? right ?
>>>
>>> however by having a look at this page
>>> h
On 05/22/10 04:47, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 5/21/2010 6:21 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
>> python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
>> last 15+ years or so ? right ?
>>
>> however by having a look at this page
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
>> i could not see
a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) writes:
> In article
> ,
> Patrick Maupin wrote:
> >
> >There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
> >company which thinks it has a lock on some kind of super secret sauce
> >isn't going to use Python, because it's very easy to reverse enginee
In article ,
Patrick Maupin wrote:
>
>There are a lot of commercial programs written in Python. But any
>company which thinks it has a lock on some kind of super secret sauce
>isn't going to use Python, because it's very easy to reverse engineer
>even compiled Python programs.
That's not alwa
On 05/21/2010 01:40 PM, geremy condra wrote:
See http://www.python.org/about/success/
thankx for reply.
from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
and dirty work" nothing more !
Yeah, there's not really a lot of industry support. If only we could
get a huge search e
On 5/21/2010 6:21 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last 15+ years or so ? right ?
however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning wrote:
>> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
>>
>> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
>
> thankx for reply.
>
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
>
On May 21, 5:21 am, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> i could not see many programs written in python
Well you could try PyPi, or even a search on googlecode.
> (i will be interested
> more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python ).
What do you mean by commercial, and why?
> and to be honest ,i
> tried
On 5/21/2010 7:12 AM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning wrote:
On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
thankx for reply.
from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
and dirty work" nothing mo
On May 21, 3:21 am, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
> last 15+ years or so ? right ?
>
> however by having a look at this pagehttp://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
> i could not see many programs written in python (i will be intere
On Fri, 2010-05-21 at 11:37 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
> On 05/21/10 11:21, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> > however by having a look at this page
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
> > i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
> > more in COMMERCIAL programs wri
On Freitag 21 Mai 2010, Jake b wrote:
> > I don't know of any big game written in python. ( meaning
> > python code, using c++ libs
would you call 8702 python statements big? If so,
Kajongg would be a candidate.
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On 21 May 2010 12:12:18 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !
Really?
Well, in any case, I can tell you that I know of a number of large
commercial web sites built with Django. I just can't tell you wha
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> thankx for reply.
>
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !
>
You might have just offended a lot of people on the list here
Cheers,
Xav
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Deep_Feelings wrote:
> On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning wrote:
>> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
>>
>> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
>
> thankx for reply.
>
> from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
> and dirty work" nothing more !
T
On May 21, 1:35 pm, Simon Brunning wrote:
> On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
>
> Seehttp://www.python.org/about/success/
thankx for reply.
from that list i have a feeling that python is acting only as "quick
and dirty work" nothing more !
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did this not go to the list? Arg, reply does in other mailing list.
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Jake b wrote:
> I took it as game-domain only question:
> I don't know of any big game written in python. ( meaning python code,
> using c++ libs. ) Verses games that at their is in c++ , calling
On 05/21/10 11:21, Deep_Feelings wrote:
python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last 15+ years or so ? right ?
Yeah about the same as Java
however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
i could not see many programs written in py
On 21 May 2010 11:21:11 UTC+1, Deep_Feelings wrote:
> 1- where are the programs that is written in python ?
> 2- python is high productivity language : why there are no commercial
> programs written in python ?
See http://www.python.org/about/success/
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python is not a new programming language ,it has been there for the
last 15+ years or so ? right ?
however by having a look at this page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications
i could not see many programs written in python (i will be interested
more in COMMERCIAL programs written in python
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