Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-17 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Python and Git should get along great. http://www.ulrikchristensen.dk/scripts/montypython/mrgit.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20090405 06:05], Michele Simionato (michele.simion...@gmail.com) wrote: P.S. the thing I do not understand if why we are moving away from Subversion. Will all the new features entered in 1.5 and 1.6 Subversion is now not so bad as it used to be and it has the advantage of being already there

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 262497db-d2fd-4217-978c- fc5571f10...@c11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, Michele Simionato wrote: If Martin - which is well above the average programmer - says that he would need help with Git, I take this as meaning that most people would get lost with Git. I don't feel lost with Git.

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message mailman.3331.1238914090.11746.python-l...@python.org, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: There's situations where a centralised system like SVN works and there's situations where a DVCS works better. Most of the people using Subversion seem to be corporates with a centralized,

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Michele Simionato
On Apr 5, 8:50 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Michele wrote: the thing I do not understand if why we are moving away from Subversion. Because it's still centralized. That means different developers cannot pursue parallel branches on their own, those

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20090405 09:35], Lawrence D'Oliveiro (l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand) wrote: Most of the people using Subversion seem to be corporates with a centralized, top-down-controlled policy for development. Not just corporations. An open source or other type of organisation might just as well

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmo...@in-nomine.org wrote: -On [20090405 06:05], Michele Simionato (michele.simion...@gmail.com) wrote: P.S. the thing I do not understand if why we are moving away from Subversion. Will all the new features entered in 1.5 and 1.6

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Ben Finney
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmo...@in-nomine.org writes: -On [20090405 09:35], Lawrence D'Oliveiro (l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand) wrote: Tell you what, keep the ad-hominem bullshit out of this discussion, and I agree to do the same. Deal? I guess I touched a nerve, so you must

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20090405 11:15], Ben Finney (ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au) wrote: If you can look at the process that was followed in this decision and see “push one solution over all others without regard to what the current situation demands” you're not looking very hard. I did not argue the decision for

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 5f1038cd-b2c7-420d- bf6e-5872d556f...@u8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, Michele Simionato wrote: The relevance for me is that at work we use Subversion, but now that Python uses mercurial I am sure there will be coworkers wanting to switch to Mercurial and I would like to understand

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread skip
If Martin - which is well above the average programmer - says that he would need help with Git, I take this as meaning that most people would get lost with Git. Lawrence I don't feel lost with Git. Does that make me an above-average Lawrence programmer? No, perhaps it

RE: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
April 2009 11:19 PM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Goes Mercurial The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a new directory for branches. This may be possible in other dvcs's , but git is the only one I've seen advertise

RE: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-05 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Sorry - it's early and I didn't force Outlook to not top-post. Unfortunately, I get asked to top-post here at work ... Tim Delaney -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't like git because it is too difficult for me. In many cases, git would refuse to do operations like updating or local committing, producing error messages I was not able to understand ... Post an example of what you were trying to do, with the exact messages, and we can walk you

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-04 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I don't like git because it is too difficult for me. In many cases, git would refuse to do operations like updating or local committing, producing error messages I was not able to understand ... Post an example of what you were trying to do, with the exact messages, and we can walk you

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-04 Thread skip
Martin I wasn't really asking for help, merely pointing out that I Martin dislike git because it makes me ask for help (something I did Martin not have to do for CVS or subversion, except for very special Martin cases). In fact, Martin is generally the guy answering the CVS and

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-04 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 49d80a4a$0$30643$9b622...@news.freenet.de, Martin v. Löwis wrote: In message gr647t$jf...@lust.ihug.co.nz, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: Post an example of what you were trying to do, with the exact messages, and we can walk you through it. Unfortunately, these are many months ago,

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-04 Thread Michele Simionato
On Apr 5, 5:49 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: Everybody needs help sometime. If you're accustomed to centralized version control (CVS and SVN), it probably takes some time to get used to the way distributed systems work. It's nothing to be ashamed of. If

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-03 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:02 PM, andrew cooke and...@acooke.org wrote: Echo wrote: 2009/4/2 Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a new directory for branches. This may be possible in

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-03 Thread Patrick Mullen
2009/4/3 Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:02 PM, andrew cooke and...@acooke.org wrote: Echo wrote: 2009/4/2 Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-03 Thread Martin v. Löwis
So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? i haven't read the article you link to, but compared to what i've read on dev strong antipathies sounds a bit over-hyped. That was the phrase used by GvR. well if you find any, please do report back. I don't like git because it

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-03 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 49d65b62$0$30904$9b622...@news.freenet.de, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I don't like git because it is too difficult for me. In many cases, git would refuse to do operations like updating or local committing, producing error messages I was not able to understand ... Post an example of

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-03 Thread Ben Finney
Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand writes: In message 49d65b62$0$30904$9b622...@news.freenet.de, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I don't like git because it is too difficult for me. In many cases, git would refuse to do operations like updating or local committing, producing

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Paul Boddie
On 2 Apr, 04:27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message 7a1dd0d8-1978-470b- a80d-57478d7f7...@q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com, Paul Boddie wrote: And I've heard stories of bait and switch with Git: you can do XYZ with Git but not with ... followed by the

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a new directory for branches. This may be possible in other dvcs's , but git is the only one I've seen advertise the capability. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote: You can do it, but as soon as you go to merge with another repo that had the unedited commit history, you’ll bump into weirdness (and probably invalidate your whole reason for rebasing, which was to clean up the history).

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Kay Schluehr
On 1 Apr., 07:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message 35d429fa-5d13-4703- a443-6a95c740c...@o6g2000yql.googlegroups.com, John Yeung wrote: Here's one that clearly expresses strong antipathy:

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread David Smith
Kay Schluehr wrote: On 1 Apr., 07:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message 35d429fa-5d13-4703- a443-6a95c740c...@o6g2000yql.googlegroups.com, John Yeung wrote: Here's one that clearly expresses strong antipathy:

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Kay Schluehr
On 2 Apr., 15:05, David Smith d...@cornell.edu wrote: Kay Schluehr wrote: On 1 Apr., 07:56, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: In message 35d429fa-5d13-4703- a443-6a95c740c...@o6g2000yql.googlegroups.com, John Yeung wrote: Here's one that clearly expresses

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Echo
2009/4/2 Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a new directory for branches. This may be possible in other dvcs's , but git is the only one I've seen advertise the capability. --

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread andrew cooke
Echo wrote: 2009/4/2 Jeremiah Dodds jeremiah.do...@gmail.com The one thing that makes me want to use git more than any other dvcs is that you don't have to create a new directory for branches. This may be possible in other dvcs's , but git is the only one I've seen advertise the capability.

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Rhodri James
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:24:49 +0100, Kay Schluehr kay.schlu...@gmx.net wrote: Good to know. Uninstalling a major feature that enhances usability just to make it usable isn't much less ironic though. Meh. Use the command line like God intended. -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste Herder to the

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-02 Thread Kay Schluehr
Meh. Use the command line like God intended. I'm sorry to say this Rhodri but there is probably no god ;) The reason I like overlays is that they are data displays that highlight changes without letting me do any action. The VCS works for me before I'm doing any work with it and that's a good

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 35d429fa-5d13-4703- a443-6a95c740c...@o6g2000yql.googlegroups.com, John Yeung wrote: Here's one that clearly expresses strong antipathy: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/087971.html There are lots of GUI- and Web-based front ends to Git. And look at on-line

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Paul Rubin
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? The relevant PEP is http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/ Interesting. I'm on a project that switched from Mercurial to Git recently. I don't have much of a sense of the relevant differences

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Rebert
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Carl Banks pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 31, 6:25 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mer... So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly?

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Carl Banks
On Mar 31, 6:25 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mer... So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? Apparently Mercurial had it's own hate club, and the reaction on python-dev was

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Paul Boddie
On 1 Apr, 08:18, Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote: Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? The relevant PEP ishttp://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/ Interesting.  I'm on a project that switched from Mercurial to Git

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Tim Daneliuk
Carl Banks wrote: On Mar 31, 6:25 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek- central.gen.new_zealand wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mer... So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? Apparently Mercurial had it's own hate club, and the

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message tq7ca6-8es@ozzie.tundraware.com, Tim Daneliuk wrote: ,,, when I suggested that better open source tools existed, they kindly explained their complete lack of interest in moving several millions of lines of code to anything new. What was their explanation? --

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message 7a1dd0d8-1978-470b- a80d-57478d7f7...@q16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com, Paul Boddie wrote: And I've heard stories of bait and switch with Git: you can do XYZ with Git but not with ... followed by the discovery that you can't realistically do XYZ with Git, either. Cite? --

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-04-01 Thread Tim Daneliuk
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message tq7ca6-8es@ozzie.tundraware.com, Tim Daneliuk wrote: ,,, when I suggested that better open source tools existed, they kindly explained their complete lack of interest in moving several millions of lines of code to anything new. What was their

Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mercurial-version-control-system.ars So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread andrew cooke
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mercurial-version-control-system.ars So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? you're at the wrong group. there's a lot of interesting discussion in python-dev about this (see thread

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message mailman.3050.1238549891.11746.python-l...@python.org, andrew cooke wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the- mercurial-version-control-system.ars So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? i haven't

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread andrew cooke
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message mailman.3050.1238549891.11746.python-l...@python.org, andrew cooke wrote: Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the- mercurial-version-control-system.ars So what were these strong antipathies towards

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread John Yeung
Lawrence D'Oliveiro and andrew cooke exchanged: So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? compared to what i've read on dev strong antipathies sounds a bit over-hyped. That was the phrase used by GvR. well if you find any, please do report back. Andrew, perhaps you

Re: Python Goes Mercurial

2009-03-31 Thread Terry Reedy
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/python-adopts-the-mercurial-version-control-system.ars So what were these strong antipathies towards Git, exactly? The relevant PEP is http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/ To some Pythonic eyes, the git command