On Mar 30, 8:40 am, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like in Python, available
athttp://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic
Discoverable, as in built-in tools that let you have the following
conversation: Program, tell me all the things I can configure about
you - Okay, here they all are. No digging through the source
required.
But this doesn't have any particular meaning. If I run a dir(obj)
command all
On Apr 1, 3:29 am, Kay Schluehr kay.schlu...@gmx.net wrote:
Discoverable, as in built-in tools that let you have the following
conversation: Program, tell me all the things I can configure about
you - Okay, here they all are. No digging through the source
required.
But this doesn't
On Apr 1, 6:29 am, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 1, 3:29 am, Kay Schluehr kay.schlu...@gmx.net wrote:
Discoverable, as in built-in tools that let you have the following
conversation: Program, tell me all the things I can configure about
you - Okay, here they all are. No
On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:15:19 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 10:44 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
[...] What
restrictions can be put on the value you get back? What can the
help system say about this, or do we have to go back to doing all
that by hand?
I just mean that there should be a
clear and easy way to do it, that it should be considered a basic
service, and that if the best way to satisfy all the goals is to
integrate it directly into the language, that shouldn't be shied away
from.
Honestly, the programming language and the
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:40:00 -0700, jfager wrote:
The basic idea is that a language could offer syntactic support for
declaring configurable points in the program. The language system would
then offer an api to allow the end user to discover a programs
configuration service, as well as a
On Apr 1, 8:56 pm, CTO debat...@gmail.com wrote:
I just mean that there should be a
clear and easy way to do it, that it should be considered a basic
service, and that if the best way to satisfy all the goals is to
integrate it directly into the language, that shouldn't be shied away
On Mar 30, 9:31 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:59:12 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's the configuration problem. Right now you would use something
like ConfigParser or optparse to populate some configuration object,
which you would then
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like in Python, available at
http://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
I am not sure I understand your solution. I certainly think that the
problem is big, very much bigger than is appreciated.
Think of the hoopla in the RoR world about convention-over-
configuration.
On the other hand I feel that emacs is becoming messier and messier
because it has taken up
On Mar 31, 2:54 am, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might
On the one hand, I can 110% see why you want to reduce boilerplate
code and provide a discoverable, common mechanism for automating the
two and three-quarters parsers that a lot of applications have to
write to handle a config file, CLI, and/or registry values, but why
introduce a syntax for it? A
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:06:50 -0700, jfager wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:31 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
...
This would be a interesting idea, but ultimately no more than a veneer
over the current set of configuration possibilities. Quite how such a
system would tell whether to
On Mar 31, 3:08 am, rustom rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure I understand your solution.
Any questions, please ask.
I certainly think that the
problem is big, very much bigger than is appreciated.
Think of the hoopla in the RoR world about convention-over-
configuration.
On Mar 31, 3:30 am, CTO debat...@gmail.com wrote:
On the one hand, I can 110% see why you want to reduce boilerplate
code and provide a discoverable, common mechanism for automating the
two and three-quarters parsers that a lot of applications have to
write to handle a config file, CLI, and/or
On Mar 31, 3:40 am, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:06:50 -0700, jfager wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:31 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
...
This would be a interesting idea, but ultimately no more than a veneer
over the current
On 30 Mrz., 15:40, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like in Python, available
athttp://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:19 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
Simply having a configuration file - okay. What format? What if
the end user wants to keep their configuration info in LDAP? Did the
library I'm including make the same decisions, or do I have to do some
contortions to adapt?
On Mar 31, 5:57 am, Kay Schluehr kay.schlu...@gmx.net wrote:
On 30 Mrz., 15:40, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like
On Mar 31, 6:02 am, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:19 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
Simply having a configuration file - okay. What format? What if
the end user wants to keep their configuration info in LDAP? Did the
library I'm including make the
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:01 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 6:02 am, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:19 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
Simply having a configuration file - okay. What format? What if
the end user wants to keep their
On 31 Mar, 09:19, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:54 am, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
http://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic idea is that a language could offer syntactic support for
declaring
On Mar 31, 2:16 pm, Lorenzo Gatti ga...@dsdata.it wrote:
On 31 Mar, 09:19, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:54 am, David Stanek dsta...@dstanek.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:40 AM, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
http://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic idea is that
In message 36148830-22c0-4f19-ab23-
d04d8755a...@s28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com, jfager wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level ...
If you're advocating anything resembling php.ini, you deserve to die.
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On Mar 31, 9:42 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-
central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 36148830-22c0-4f19-ab23-
d04d8755a...@s28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com, jfager wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level ...
If you're
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand wrote:
In message 36148830-22c0-4f19-ab23-
d04d8755a...@s28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com, jfager wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level ...
If
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:06:50 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:31 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:59:12 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's the configuration problem. Right now you would use something
like ConfigParser or
On Mar 31, 10:44 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:06:50 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 30, 9:31 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk
wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:59:12 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's the
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down
at the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like in Python, available at
http://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic idea is that a language could offer syntactic support for
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:40:00 -0700, jfager wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down at
the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this might look like in Python, available at
http://jasonfager.com/?p=440.
The basic
On Mar 30, 11:17 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:40:00 -0700, jfager wrote:
I've written a short post on including support for configuration down at
the language level, including a small preliminary half-functional
example of what this
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:59:12 +0100, jfager jfa...@gmail.com wrote:
It's the configuration problem. Right now you would use something
like ConfigParser or optparse to populate some configuration object,
which you would then pass around and extract values from. This would
provide two advantages
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