Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Dave Love wrote: I'm sorry I'm not in your club, but I think understanding Emacs is most important thing for contributing language support (assuming the language is sufficiently well-defined and it doesn't require la

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andreas Roehler writes: > The question already touched so far is, if or how copyright might > declared with respect to programs. Sure, but that is entirely irrelevant to the assignment issue. The assignment policy takes current copyright law as given. So I don't think this is a useful convers

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Beverley Eyre writes: > But, it was my > understanding, based on my readings of rms' stuff, that 'free' software > is free so that people who care to can change the code. Partly, yes. > More, they can distribute this altered code to all and sundry as long > it remains 'free'. You should re-r

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Barry Warsaw writes: > While technically the python-mode.el file does not have GPL license > on it, we've tried many times in the past to assign copyright so that > it /could/ have such a license on it, and even be owned by the FSF. Like I just posted elsewhere (?), we -- I think at least t

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
Andreas Roehler writes: > Somehow this diff --thanks btw-- contradicts your > arging here, don't it? No, but what's that got to do with FSF copyright? > so I wrote an intentionally incompatible mode > > that's human... Mainly engineering as far as I'm concerned. > Is python.el now included in

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Love
"s...@pobox.com" writes: > Based on my own personal experience I don't think you > can lay all the blame on the folks who have contributed to python-mode.el. Who's laying blame? There wasn't much point in me pursuing any other authors without an assignment for Barry's code, but it's now moot.

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Richard M Stallman
AFAIS every Emacs-file is inspired by many, many others from the very beginning. We see almost always a plenty of revisions with a lot of people involved. Inspiration is irrelevant to copyright law. It is concerned with the authorship of the code. If a file has been in Emacs for many

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Andreas Roehler
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > I am not a lawyer, and I don't speak for the FSF or the Emacs Project. > I do speak for the XEmacs Project until such time as someone feels > like complaining about it. :-) > > Andreas Roehler writes: > > > as FSF assignment policy was raised again at > > python-mod

[Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
I am not a lawyer, and I don't speak for the FSF or the Emacs Project. I do speak for the XEmacs Project until such time as someone feels like complaining about it. :-) Andreas Roehler writes: > as FSF assignment policy was raised again at > python-mode@python.org, please permit to ask you a >

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote: Well, that not so easy. Things are much more serious IMO. In any case programs published here will be GPL as far as it concerns me, so it shouldn't matter for the user if its assigned to FSF or

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 27, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Andreas Roehler wrote: as FSF assignment policy was raised again at python-mode@python.org, please permit to ask you a thing I never understood: AFAIS every Emacs-file is inspired by many, many others from the very begi

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Andreas Roehler
Eric S. Johansson wrote: > Andreas Roehler wrote: >> Hi (X)Emacs folks, >> >> as FSF assignment policy was raised again at >> python-mode@python.org, please permit to ask you a >> thing I never understood: >> >> AFAIS every Emacs-file is inspired by many, many others >> from the very beginning. We

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Eric S. Johansson
Andreas Roehler wrote: > Hi (X)Emacs folks, > > as FSF assignment policy was raised again at > python-mode@python.org, please permit to ask you a > thing I never understood: > > AFAIS every Emacs-file is inspired by many, many others > from the very beginning. We see almost always a plenty > of r

[Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-01-27 Thread Andreas Roehler
Hi (X)Emacs folks, as FSF assignment policy was raised again at python-mode@python.org, please permit to ask you a thing I never understood: AFAIS every Emacs-file is inspired by many, many others from the very beginning. We see almost always a plenty of revisions with a lot of people involved.