Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Bram Braakman
Hi, I often read about schools in the US using Python as a first introduction to computer programming. For high school level I know they often use http://openbookproject.net//thinkCSpy/ as a reference. For younger kids I think this is a popular one: http://rur-ple.sourceforge.net/en/rur.htm In t

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Roger Erens
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 14:48, Bram Braakman wrote: ... > On a side note: I admire how (in the US) they know how to make it sort of > fun for the kids to learn programming (through games, game-programming or > things like LEGO Mindstorms/Robotics). I always felt that Dutch schools > lacked this k

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Floris van Manen
Localization of programming languages is a bad idea. If you have to learn a new language, switch context, never start translating. You don't want to write in fortran-python either. F On Oct 2, 2009, at 19:23, Roger Erens wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 14:48, Bram Braakman wrote: ... On

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Stef Mientki
Floris van Manen wrote: Localization of programming languages is a bad idea. If you have to learn a new language, switch context, never start translating. You don't want to write in fortran-python either. so what about visual programming ? Stef F On Oct 2, 2009, at 19:23, Roger Erens wrote

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp eric casteleijn
Floris van Manen wrote: Localization of programming languages is a bad idea. If you have to learn a new language, switch context, never start translating. You don't want to write in fortran-python either. Iedereen die aan deze wijze woorden twijfelt moet verplicht voor altijd terug naar 1997

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Roger Erens
Hi Floris, On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 23:33, Floris van Manen wrote: > Localization of programming languages is a bad idea. Do you have some more convincing evidence? > If you have to learn a new language, switch context, never start > translating. Is switching context how you started learning Eng

Re: [python-nl] Python at Schools

2009-10-02 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Perica Zivkovic
don't underestimate our kids, I bet you beer that they can understand hybrid of your examples, e.g.: for ding in mijn_list: print ding full translation is I think bad idea because people (read this as small-people :) ) get used to it and don't want to let go so after couple of years you have t