Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Robin Dunn
Christopher Barker wrote: > * What about people installing upgrades to packages? IIUC, the Apple > python puts stuff in a dir that is before site-packages, so if you > install a newer version of a package that Apple already had, it won't be > used without sys.path manipulations. I think numpy was

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 3 Jan, 2008, at 19:28, Tobias Rodäbel wrote: On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: I want to do whatever keeps my live as easy as possible, either an umbrella package with small hotfix packages or one package that installs all hotfixes. I also want to keep the addon package

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 3 Jan, 2008, at 18:42, Bill Janssen wrote: * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral binaries (32-bit only at first) Is there a bug # for this? Possibly with a patch that we could start with :-? There is a fix in python's repository. I'll have to look up the deta

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Tobias Rodäbel
On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > I want to do whatever keeps my live as easy as possible, either an > umbrella package with small hotfix packages or one package that > installs all hotfixes. I also want to keep the addon package as > small as possible and don't want to en

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Bill Janssen
> * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral > binaries (32-bit only at first) Is there a bug # for this? Possibly with a patch that we could start with :-? Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> I think that for "true" end users Idle is the only serious >> omission. The first one is really for developers only, and the >> second one doesn't really become important until such fat eggs >> become widely available (which they are not

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Christopher Barker
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", This looks very promising. Thanks for getting it going. > this project will install: > > * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral > binaries (32-bit only at first) * (possibly) hotfix

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 3 Jan, 2008, at 17:03, Jack Jansen wrote: On 3 jan 2008, at 14:22, Ronald Oussoren wrote: Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build of python: how do we go forward from here? I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this project will

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Jack Jansen
On 3 jan 2008, at 14:22, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build > of python: how do we go forward from here? > > I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this > project will install: > > * Hotfix for distutils to en

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Andrew Jaffe
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 3 Jan, 2008, at 15:18, Andrew Jaffe wrote: >> >> I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is >> there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard? >> >> I.E., should we still be using the MacPython framework build (since I >> assum

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 3 Jan, 2008, at 15:18, Andrew Jaffe wrote: Hi All, I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard? This is the right thread for that (albeith one with a lame subject). I.E., should we still be using th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Andrew Jaffe
Hi All, I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread/place for this, but is there any official "best practice" for Python under Leopard? I.E., should we still be using the MacPython framework build (since I assume that is more likely to track current python versions than the Apple build). I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-03 Thread Ronald Oussoren
Now that there are several people that want to support Apple's build of python: how do we go forward from here? I think we should start a small project for "MacPython Addons", this project will install: * Hotfix for distutils to ensure that distutils builds univeral binaries (32-bit only

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2008-01-02 Thread Bill Janssen
> Even though I've been an open source developer since long before the > word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the reinvent- > the-world attitude that is far too common in the open source community. > > If I am new to Python on the Mac and I've played with Apple Python a > li

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-23 Thread Robin Dunn
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 23 Dec, 2007, at 9:01, Christopher Barker wrote: > >> Jack Jansen wrote: >>> The real problem is when I couldn't care less about package X but I'm >>> really interested in Y, which uses X, and then X forcing me to upgrade >>> it. >> >> Just to make sure I understand

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-23 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 23 Dec, 2007, at 9:01, Christopher Barker wrote: Jack Jansen wrote: The real problem is when I couldn't care less about package X but I'm really interested in Y, which uses X, and then X forcing me to upgrade it. Just to make sure I understand -- is this an example of that: I want to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-23 Thread Christopher Barker
Jack Jansen wrote: > The real problem is when I couldn't care less about package X but I'm > really interested in Y, which uses X, and then X forcing me to upgrade > it. Just to make sure I understand -- is this an example of that: I want to use wxPython (the most recent version). I expect to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Jansen
I've been thinking a bit more about being forced to upgrade package X when I'm not interested, and I realised that the times it really bothers me are even one more step removed: if I was interested in package X and the website/whatever told me "don't use the current version of X, use the ne

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel Lord
On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:48 AM, Jack Jansen wrote: > I think this would be a very good idea, even if only from a > "political" point of view. > Even though I've been an open source developer since long before the > word existed I find that I'm getting sick and tired of the reinvent- > the-world atti

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-21 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Friday, December 21, 2007, at 09:48AM, "Jack Jansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 20 dec 2007, at 12:35, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> >> That's easily fixable. I'm thinking about reviving Jack's MacPython >> addons idea: a small .mpkg that will install IDLE.app, a 64-bit >> command-line in

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Jansen
On 20 dec 2007, at 12:35, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > That's easily fixable. I'm thinking about reviving Jack's MacPython > addons idea: a small .mpkg that will install IDLE.app, a 64-bit > command-line interpreter and some small fixes (such as the distutiles > one). That should make Leopard's bu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-20 Thread Christopher Barker
William Kyngesburye wrote: > On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >>> never provided an update within an OS-X version. (For example, if >>> nothing else, the Apple python with Leopard doesn't build Universal >>> Binaries when you use setup.py) >> >> That's easily fixable. Yes, it

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-20 Thread Christopher Barker
William Kyngesburye wrote: > On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >>> never provided an update within an OS-X version. (For example, if >>> nothing else, the Apple python with Leopard doesn't build Universal >>> Binaries when you use setup.py) >> >> That's easily fixable. Yes, it

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-20 Thread William Kyngesburye
On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> never provided an update within an OS-X version. (For example, if >> nothing else, the Apple python with Leopard doesn't build Universal >> Binaries when you use setup.py) > > That's easily fixable. I'm thinking about reviving Jack's MacPython

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-20 Thread Nehemiah Dacres
I support your decision not to fully support Apple's python, and Mac Ports uses internal distros of all supported software. (in other words. if pyhton 2.5 is a dependency, you will wind up with MacPorts' version of python at /opt/local/bin/ and it's up to you to decide which one to use. On Dec 20,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-20 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 19 Dec, 2007, at 23:21, Christopher Barker wrote: > Nehemiah Dacres wrote: >> so we're still not supporting Apple's shipped python? That depends on what you mean by "support" ;-) >> > > Well, Apple does what Apples does. Every single version of python that > they have shipped as had at least

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Nehemiah Dacres wrote: > so we're still not supporting Apple's shipped python? Well, Apple does what Apples does. Every single version of python that they have shipped as had at least one bug (or misfeature), and they have never provided an update within an OS-X version. (For example, if nothin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-19 Thread Christopher Barker
Nehemiah Dacres wrote: > perhaps you should send this to macports. Or forget macports, install the 2.5 macpython Universal framework build and as many of the packages you need that you can find on: http://pythonmac.org/packages/py25-fat/index.html Then try to build/install the rest of the on

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-19 Thread Nehemiah Dacres
perhaps you should send this to macports. you see, Mac Ports normally installs stuff in /opt/local/bin. but that is not where this code is being ran from according to your traceback. "Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/django/db/backends/postgresql_psycopg2

[Pythonmac-SIG] newbie Mac switcher trying to set up django on Intel MacBook Pro Tiger

2007-12-18 Thread Micheal Cooper
Using MacPorts (installed yesterday and updated today), I installed: py25-psycopg2 @2.0.5.1_0 (active) which pulls in the following as dependencies: postgresql81 @8.1.10_0+darwin_8 (active) python25 @2.5.1_4+darwin_8 (active) then I installed: postgresql81-server @8.1.10_0 (active) subver