Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 15/08/2013 Rob Weir wrote: A thought experiment: If we ran the existing test automation on 4.0.0, how many of the bugs that we're fixing in 4.0.1 do you think would be detected? I would expect this 4.0.1 blocker issue (wrong results in certain Calc functions) to be detectable by automated

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 8/15/13 1:33 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt >> wrote: >>> On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote: On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" wrote: > > On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-15 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 8/15/13 1:33 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote: >>> On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" wrote: On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI wrote: >> On 14 Aug

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 8/15/13 12:19 PM, janI wrote: >> On Aug 15, 2013 11:14 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" wrote: >>> >>> On 8/14/13 8:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI wrote: > On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp wrote: > >>

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 22:58, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> Finally, I think we can all point to a similar open source project >> that has numerous betas, but still suffers from poor quality. So a >> public beta, by itself, is not sufficient. W

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-15 Thread Edwin Sharp
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 22:58, Rob Weir wrote: > > Finally, I think we can all point to a similar open source project > that has numerous betas, but still suffers from poor quality. So a > public beta, by itself, is not sufficient. We need some upstream > improvements as well, I think. But w

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/14/2013 09:58 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Dear Rob The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: > >> Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir: >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Dear Rob The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller st

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 08/14/2013 09:01 PM, schrieb Raphael Bircher: Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Dear Rob The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates s

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 14.08.13 20:21, schrieb Rob Weir: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: Dear Rob The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates should not be avoided. TestLink cases should be le

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM, janI wrote: > On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp wrote: > >> Dear Rob >> The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. >> Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates >> should not be avoided. >> TestLink ca

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Edwin Sharp wrote: > Dear Rob > The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. > Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates > should not be avoided. > TestLink cases should be less comprehesive (in terms of f

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
I apologize in advance if my note was note clear. I'm not at all interested in off-the-cuff opinions. We all have our opinions. But I'm only interested in fact-based analysis of the actual regressions reported in BZ. Specifically: what caused the actually defects that ended up in 4.0.0 and wh

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread janI
On 14 August 2013 19:36, Edwin Sharp wrote: > Dear Rob > The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. > Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates > should not be avoided. > TestLink cases should be less comprehesive (in terms of feature c

Re: Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Edwin Sharp
Dear Rob The 4.0 release was too ambitious - we should advance in smaller steps. Nothing compares to general public testing - betas and release candidates should not be avoided. TestLink cases should be less comprehesive (in terms of feature coverage) and more stress testing oriented. Regards, Ed

Some thoughts on quality

2013-08-14 Thread Rob Weir
We're working now on AOO 4.0.1, to fix defects in AOO 4.0.0. The fact that we're doing this, and their are no arguments against it, shows that we value quality. I'd like to take this a step further, and see what we can learn from the defects in AOO 4.0.0 and what we can do going forward to impro