Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 10:03:26PM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > That is not how he uses the terms. He uses them interchangably. > B) The people I've seen care about this are embedded system developers, who > also make a distinction between "emulator" and "simulator". (One is a > hardware board

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 10 October 2006 1:18 pm, Jim C. Brown wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:48:33AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > > Here you are using the terms "virtual" and "emulated" interchangably. That's > > > ok as long as the difference between virtualization and virtual/emulated is > > > underst

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:54:57AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 5:26 am, Joshua Root wrote: > > Part of the generally accepted definition of virtualization is that the > > majority of guest instructions execute directly on the real CPU with no > > intervention by the VMM.

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 11:48:33AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > Here you are using the terms "virtual" and "emulated" interchangably. That's > > ok as long as the difference between virtualization and virtual/emulated is > > understood. > > Well, the hardware people see a huge difference. To th

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 10 October 2006 5:26 am, Joshua Root wrote: > Part of the generally accepted definition of virtualization is that the > majority of guest instructions execute directly on the real CPU with no > intervention by the VMM. QEMU + qvm86 does count as virtualization if > the system spends most

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 09 October 2006 8:08 am, Jim C. Brown wrote: > On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 12:05:02AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > > qemu is primarily a dynamic translator not a virtualizer. > > > > That's an implementation detail. The end result is running programs in a > > virtual environment, and qemu

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-10 Thread Joshua Root
Rob Landley wrote: > On Sunday 08 October 2006 10:36 am, Jim C. Brown wrote: >> qemu is primarily a dynamic translator not a virtualizer. > > That's an implementation detail. The end result is running programs in a > virtual environment, and qemu's system emulation has lots of virtual hardware

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-09 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 12:05:02AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > qemu is primarily a dynamic translator not a virtualizer. > > That's an implementation detail. The end result is running programs in a > virtual environment, and qemu's system emulation has lots of virtual hardware > it attaches t

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 08 October 2006 10:36 am, Jim C. Brown wrote: > On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:30:19AM -0700, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > > http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=124&STEP=&lang=en > > > > I don't see Qemu mentioned at all. I wonder if any of the developers have been contacted at all.

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:58:51PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote: > Don't forget qvm86, which is intended as an open source drop-in > replacement for kqemu. > > -- Jamie > One that, when I last checked, was outdated and unmaintained. (Though I admit I haven't looked at qvm86 recently.) -- Infinite

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Jamie Lokier
Jim C. Brown wrote: > On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:30:19AM -0700, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > > http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=124&STEP=&lang=en > > > > I don't see Qemu mentioned at all. I wonder if any of the > > developers have been contacted at all. I thing it is a pity that once >

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Joshua Root
Jim C. Brown wrote: > On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:30:19AM -0700, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=124&STEP=&lang=en >> >> I don't see Qemu mentioned at all. I wonder if any of the developers have >> been contacted at all. I thing it is a pity that once againg

Re: [Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 05:30:19AM -0700, Ottavio Caruso wrote: > http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=124&STEP=&lang=en > > I don't see Qemu mentioned at all. I wonder if any of the developers have > been contacted at all. I thing it is a pity that once againg Qemu is ignored. > > Ot

[Qemu-devel] International Virtualization Conference

2006-10-08 Thread Ottavio Caruso
http://www.linuxworldexpo.de/linux_messe.php?ID=124&STEP=&lang=en I don't see Qemu mentioned at all. I wonder if any of the developers have been contacted at all. I thing it is a pity that once againg Qemu is ignored. Ottavio ___ Qemu-devel mailing