Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-24 Thread Paul Brook
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process > right now. Does anyone know what happens license-wise if we create a model > of proprietary ha

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Luke -Jr wrote: > On Friday 22 June 2007 12:37, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > If at the same time you make something original, which is not derived from > > the GPLed program, then you are as free as a bird to sh*t on the GPL with > > regards to your original work. You c

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 12:37, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > If at the same time you make something original, which is not derived from > the GPLed program, then you are as free as a bird to sh*t on the GPL with > regards to your original work. You can choose whatever license, if any. Not if you wan

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Ronnie Misra
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Luke -Jr wrote: On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > > > The G

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Luke -Jr wrote: > On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > If what you did somehow wasn't a derivative work, then the there's no > > legal basis for forcing compliance with a license. > > Unless you modify or distribute the work. These acts are illegal

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
[[ This is my last post on this topic, as we're starting to get quite far afield from QEMU and I'm starting to repeat myself. "Luke -Jr" wants the last word, he can have it ]] In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M.

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:46, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: > : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copy

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > > > order to be applicable, the work in question must somehow rely on the > > > GPL'd work. The "somehow" here is an in

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07, you wrote: : > > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in : > > > order to be applicable, the

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Warner Losh
From: Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:18:01 -0500 > On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > > o

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Friday 22 June 2007 00:34, Balazs Attila-Mihaly (Cd-MaN) wrote: > I must prefix this with the fact that IANAL, but as I understand it, you > must release the source code only if you distribute that modified system > (with GPL v2). That is, if you use this system internally in you company, > you

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-22 Thread Luke -Jr
On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:33, M. Warner Losh wrote: > The GPL only has as much force of law as copyright law gives it, and in > order to be applicable, the work in question must somehow rely on the GPL'd > work. The "somehow" here is an interesting legal question that hasn't been > well settled.

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread Balazs Attila-Mihaly \(Cd-MaN\)
hared library, and you would have no obligation regarding the code in the shared library. - Original Message From: Armbrost Failsafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Sent: Thursday, 21 June, 2007 2:28:53 PM Subject: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardwar

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Luke -Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:28, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: : > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system : > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process : >

Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread Luke -Jr
On Thursday 21 June 2007 06:28, Armbrost Failsafe wrote: > We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system > featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process > right now. Does anyone know what happens license-wise if we create a model > of propriet

[Qemu-devel] QEMU License and proprietary hardware

2007-06-21 Thread Armbrost Failsafe
We are looking into using QEMU as the base for a model of a custom system featuring some custom ASICs. But licensing issues are halting the process right now. Does anyone know what happens license-wise if we create a model of proprietary hardware using QEMU? Is that model automatically covered by