Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 15:35 Daniel P. Berrangé : > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 02:11:08PM +0300, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 14:02 Thomas Huth : > > > > > On 16/03/2023 11.22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu <

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 04:01:06PM +0300, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > Well, this language about "market" and "investment" not just figures of > the speech, sadly? Because paid developers work on areas they paid to > develop, by boss with big bucks. This is FUD. Many QEMU maintainers are

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 18:21 Warner Losh : > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 7:33 AM Thomas Huth wrote: > >> If you'd followed the QEMU project, you'd know that there are very >> helpful >> people around, from all kind of companies, Linaro guys who help with >> reviewing and merging non-ARM patches,

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 16:32 Thomas Huth : > On 16/03/2023 14.01, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > ... > > Well, this language about "market" and "investment" not just figures of > the > > speech, sadly? Because paid developers work on areas they paid to > develop, > > by boss with big bucks. > >

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 7:33 AM Thomas Huth wrote: > If you'd followed the QEMU project, you'd know that there are very helpful > people around, from all kind of companies, Linaro guys who help with > reviewing and merging non-ARM patches, Red Hatters who help with BSD and Haiku patches, etc. >

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/03/2023 14.01, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: ... Well, this language about "market" and "investment"  not just figures of the speech, sadly? Because paid developers work on  areas they paid to develop, by boss with big bucks. Sorry for getting more explicit now, but: Can you please stop

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 15:35 Daniel P. Berrangé : > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 02:11:08PM +0300, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 14:02 Thomas Huth : > > > > > On 16/03/2023 11.22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu <

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 02:11:08PM +0300, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 14:02 Thomas Huth : > > > On 16/03/2023 11.22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/03/2023 12.04, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: Also, for CI thing may be lessen compiler optimization levels at least for some runs? And/or tweak ccache compression Please stop blindly making suggestions for our CI if you don't really know it (e.g. we don't use ccache). That's really

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 14:02 Thomas Huth : > On 16/03/2023 11.22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu > >: > > > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth > >: > > > >

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 13:56 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé : > On 16/3/23 11:22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu > >: > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth > >: > > On 16/03/2023

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/03/2023 11.22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu >: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth mailto:th...@redhat.com>>: On 16/03/2023 08.36, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > On 16/3/23 08:17,

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/3/23 11:22, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu >: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth mailto:th...@redhat.com>>: On 16/03/2023 08.36, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 12:17 Andrew Randrianasulu : > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth : > >> On 16/03/2023 08.36, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: >> > On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: >> >> >> >> чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé > >>

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 13:01 Markus Armbruster : > Thomas Huth writes: > > [...] > > > The problem is really that we don't have unlimited resources in the > > QEMU project. Currently we're heavily struggling with the load in the > > CI, but also pure man power is always very scarce. So at one

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

Thomas Huth writes: [...] > The problem is really that we don't have unlimited resources in the > QEMU project. Currently we're heavily struggling with the load in the > CI, but also pure man power is always very scarce. So at one point in > time, you have to decide to say good bye to some old

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 11:31 Thomas Huth : > On 16/03/2023 08.36, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > >> > >> чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé >> >: > >> > >> Hi Andrew, > >> > >> On 16/3/23 01:57,

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 10:36, Thomas Huth wrote: > > ... It will take another year (or maybe more) until the deprecation will turn > into a real unsupported state. I assume by that point in time, more and more > RPi users will have switched to a 64-bit OS instead. There is an easy and

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/03/2023 09.07, Liviu Ionescu wrote: On 16 Mar 2023, at 09:57, Liviu Ionescu wrote: I'm not targeting RPi2; there are a lot of RPi4 with less than 8GB RAM (most of them, actually), and even more RPi3, with even less RAM), and people prefer to continue using the 32-bit OS on them,

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/03/2023 08.36, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé >:     Hi Andrew,     On 16/3/23 01:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > Looking at

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 09:57, Liviu Ionescu wrote: > > I'm not targeting RPi2; there are a lot of RPi4 with less than 8GB RAM (most > of them, actually), and even more RPi3, with even less RAM), and people > prefer to continue using the 32-bit OS on them, which works quite fine; Like it or

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 09:29, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > Hi Liviu, > >> or the countless 32-bit Raspberry Pi? >> my xPack binary tools, which include qemu arm & qemu riscv, are also >> available for arm 32-bit, and the analytics show about the same number of >> downloads for 32-bit as

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:36 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé : > On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > > > > чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé > >: > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > On 16/3/23 01:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > > Looking at

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

On 16/3/23 08:17, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé >: Hi Andrew, On 16/3/23 01:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > Looking at https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/8.0

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

Hi Liviu, On 16/3/23 07:19, Liviu Ionescu wrote: On 16 Mar 2023, at 02:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: Looking at https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/8.0 === System emulation on 32-bit x86 and ARM hosts has been deprecated. The QEMU project no longer considers 32-bit x86 and ARM support for

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

чт, 16 мар. 2023 г., 10:05 Philippe Mathieu-Daudé : > Hi Andrew, > > On 16/3/23 01:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: > > Looking at https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/8.0 > > > > > > === > > System emulation on 32-bit x86 and ARM hosts has been deprecated. The > >

Re: dropping 32-bit host support

Hi Andrew, On 16/3/23 01:57, Andrew Randrianasulu wrote: Looking at https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/8.0 === System emulation on 32-bit x86 and ARM hosts has been deprecated. The QEMU project no longer considers 32-bit x86 and ARM support for system