What the whole thing boils down to is probably:
Do I care if someone is blocking my driveway?
Do I care if someone is blocking my neighbor's driveway?
Do I care if someone is blocking my neighbor's driveway that hasn't been used
by them for 25 years?
In all but the first case, I don't - It's non
sold anything QL in the last twenty years. I seem to remember
> all the profits were ploughed back into advertising. That's the nature
> of the game sometimes.
>
> Kind regards
> Richard Howe
>
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Rich
Mellor
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation
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On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Hi,
Just my 2 cents worth.
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources bec
Whoops!
To infringe, verb.
An infringement noun.
Apologies.
Cheers,
Norm.
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Still a verb. It's an action.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infringe
I wish I could get out of the sun! But it's too sunny and way to hot for a Jock
like me!
Cheers,
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Hi,
>
> Sorry. To clarify: Those who 'simply' observe the law are not
> co
> Am 08.07.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Norman Dunbar :
>
> Infringement is what you do when you break a law, it's a verb. Copyright
> theft is the thing, a noun. But I'm not a lawyer, so doublespeak doesn't come
> easy!
Infringement a verb? Norman, please get out if the sun ;-)
https://en.m.wikipe
Sir Cliff Richard :)
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 at 16:39, Norman Dunbar wrote:
> No, please don't shut up. Healthy discourse is good.
>
> I was attempting to say that comparing copyright theft to homosexuality
> was comparing apples and oranges. One is "inbuilt" and hard to avoid, the
> other is willingl
No, please don't shut up. Healthy discourse is good.
I was attempting to say that comparing copyright theft to homosexuality was
comparing apples and oranges. One is "inbuilt" and hard to avoid, the other is
willingly done. They are completely different to each other.
Cheers,
Norm.
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The USA have a "way" of these things, and always to their advantage. Much like
the so called "special relationship " that exists between Britain and America.
They take, we, suckers, give. I think someone tried a similar thing as Disney,
in the UK and effectively got told to piss off! Might eve
Norman Dunbar wrote:
> Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much
> knowingly. The two are not the same thing. Apples and oranges. As
> far as I am aware, nobody is dishonest, because of their genes - much as
> some would hope to think!
So we can already agree that ther
Norman Dunbar wrote:
> OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better
> as that's what it is known in court, I think.
Actually the correct phrase is "infringement". I'm not an native
speaker, but theft and stealing seems synonymous to me. Calling it
either is classical Doubles
PS. When it was still illegal to be gay in the UK, my uncle had to hide away
with his friends and lovers. He couldn't be open about it. However, his
sexuality was not his choice, it was just how he was "built".
Breaching someone's copy rights, is voluntary, and done pretty much knowingly.
The
Afternoon Marcel,
OK, perhaps stealing was the wrong word, copyright theft is better as that's
what it is known in court, I think.
The law is the law, regardless, else anarchy results. But laws can be changed
- 27Mhz CB radio in the UK back in the early 80s, same sex partnerships, then
marri
Norman Dunbar wrote:
> Copyright, to get back on topic, is copyright, no matter how much
> it sucks, or that people have abandoned products, you cannot just
> steal (for that is what it is)
Um, no. The music industry and other advocates for stricter copyright
laws want you to believe that. But by
Hi Dilwyn,
Don't feed the trolls is good advice, in any situation.
I have to admit to feeding the ones who come calling and telling me that
Windows is reporting a nasty virus each time I connect to the Internet. Those I
consider fair game, and it's game on. I kept them on the phone over 2 ho
On 07/07/2016 14:31, Rich Mellor wrote:
On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Hi,
Just my 2 cents worth.
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent
take-down notices (or was suspected of sending
Hi,
Sorry. To clarify: Those who 'simply' observe the law are not considering
the ethics behind the law, they are just following the rules. The point is
to understand the ethics (the spirit of the law).
Unfortunately, there isn't always one. What is the ethic behind VAT?
What is the ethic be
You won't win arguments with people like this, so you wither ignore
them and get on with your life or you deal with them in such a way
they can't / won't upset you again for a long time.
These "rules don't apply to me" people are generally of low moral
integrity and generally untrustworthy and wi
On 07/07/2016 17:31, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
<>
arsed walking to a smoking bay 10 yards away. The very same people who
moan if your car touches a line in a parking bay promptly go and park
their sacred expensive BMW across two parking bays next to you.
Back in the 90's I had the misfortune to driv
On 07/07/2016 15:15, Marcel Kilgus wrote:
pjwitte wrote:
I agree with everything you say above. I presume you do not mean to
imply that any significant /future/ software must also be free.
I'm certain nobody is implying this, least of all Wolfgang and me.
When I changed EasyPtr, which was not
Thanks Wolfgang
>> Those who appreciate the value of copyright do so because it is
>> 'right' to morally and financially support those who give energy to
>> projects that interest the community. Those who break copyright law
>> are ignorant of this, their minds commonly lacking respect for othe
I agree and a full list should be assembled with a coordinated effort. Still,
it begs the question, can the existing site be migrated to an alternate domain
if this becomes necessary. This would be the simplest solution and minimize
the disruption until your list of suggestions can get up and
> On July 7, 2016 at 7:13 PM Kurt K wrote:
>
>
> If I may reframe the matter not as a discussion on the relative merits of
> Copyright but in regard to the effect on the greater community. It is simply
> wrong to discontinue a worthy project, harm and reduce the viability of those
> supporting
If I may reframe the matter not as a discussion on the relative merits of
Copyright but in regard to the effect on the greater community. It is simply
wrong to discontinue a worthy project, harm and reduce the viability of those
supporting the QL due solely to a sad minority of individuals. Th
Hi,
Those who appreciate the value of copyright do so because it is 'right' to
morally and financially support those who give energy to projects that
interest the community. Those who break copyright law are ignorant of this,
their minds commonly lacking respect for others. Those who simply obse
Hi Rich,
Maybe with our legal backgrounds, we both see the need to protect rights and
for that reason neither of us would get involved in hosting copyrighted
files.
I mostly see the risks in doing that...
I don't want to get drawn into a debate whether copyright is "good" or
"bad" or "right
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent
take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that
apparently hosted copyrighted files without the owners’ consent.
It's the sort of double stand
om] On Behalf Of Rich
Mellor
Sent: 07 July 2016 14:32
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Withdrawal of my personal Software Preservation
Project
On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> As I understand it, Rich came under attack
On 07/07/2016 11:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Hi,
Just my 2 cents worth.
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent
take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that
apparently hosted co
Hi Per,
>
> I agree with everything you say above. I presume you do not mean to
> imply that any significant /future/ software must also be free.
Ah, of course not, good catch!
Wolfgang
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pjwitte wrote:
> I agree with everything you say above. I presume you do not mean to
> imply that any significant /future/ software must also be free.
I'm certain nobody is implying this, least of all Wolfgang and me.
When I changed EasyPtr, which was not written by me originally but
improved at a
On 07/07/2016 12:13, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:
Hi,
Just my 2 cents worth.
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent
take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that
apparently hosted co
Hi,
Just my 2 cents worth.
As I understand it, Rich came under attack from some (as yet unnamed)
sources because he (i) sells old programs for the QL and (ii) sent
take-down notices (or was suspected of sending them) to sites that
apparently hosted copyrighted files without the owners’ consent.
I am also a professional software engineer and do agree in most points with
marcel.
I try to release everything as good as possible if there is no reasonable
financial interest anymore.
I do however respect the copyright of each and every program.
In my opinion there is no way to offer downloa
Hi Rich,
I had a look at the negative comments, which I would say that they do not want
to support the QL. They everything for nothing, which was a similar position 10
years ago with the hardware I was trying to supply.
I completely support the hard work you were performing, with little or no
Rich Mellor wrote:
> I shall however, not get involved in software piracy.
Really no disrespect to you or your work. But, as a creator of
software and probably of the most commercially successful QL software
of the last 15 years, I find this whole piracy debate in the QL scene
pretty laughable. Th
In view of the highly negative (and offensive) comments which I have
received on various forums about my approach to the preservation of QL
software, I have now taken the decision to formally close my project.
It is interesting to read that World of Spectrum is also going through
similar probl
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