okay, here's the deal. I've got qmail sending from my subdomain to anywhere else and I can also send messages (from my mail client on my machine (not the server)) to the other user accounts on the machine and can get those messages back to my machine (recieve them) so it looks like pop is working (recieving) and the smtpd is running (sending to other machine users) but when anywhere else tries to mail me (i.e. if I log on to hotmail and mail something to this server) I can find /no/ evidence of it whatsoever, in none of the logs and no bounce backs, it just dissappears, my friend is having the same problem and where both new users so its probably something easy, but I read the INSTALL and followed it to a tee, its just that remote-local isn't work. We're both using tcpserver (when he switched to inetd his started working =( but I don't wanna do that) and I'm using the qmail mail format (maildir, I believe) and he wasn't so... I'm guessing the probs with tcpserve, but I couldn't find anything, it was also 6:00 am (before sleep, not after) when I was looking. Thanks for the help later Najati -- morals are sacrificing for, not for sacrificing