qmail Digest 20 Aug 2000 10:00:01 -0000 Issue 1098
Topics (messages 47017 through 47041):
Off-Topic: Maildirs as folders
47017 by: Len Budney
Re: obtaining TCPREMOTEIP during delivery
47018 by: Ben Beuchler
47032 by: Russell Nelson
47036 by: Ben Beuchler
Re: Queue Time
47019 by: richard.illuin.org
47020 by: markd.bushwire.net
qmail domain heiarchy
47021 by: Barry Smoke
47023 by: John White
47024 by: Barry Smoke
47026 by: John White
47028 by: Brett Randall
relay-ctrl
47022 by: Clemens Hermann
47027 by: Brett Randall
Re: yahoo down?
47025 by: Al Sparks
47029 by: Ben Beuchler
qmail-lint?
47030 by: Russell Nelson
Re: converting tai64n to something readable
47031 by: Russell Nelson
Re: qmail and IP addresses.....
47033 by: Russell Nelson
Re: logselect
47034 by: Russell Nelson
Re: Linux Mandrake qmail packages available
47035 by: Russell Nelson
patching qmail with multiple patches
47037 by: reach_prashant.zeenext.com
Is there any design bug on qmail's APOP
47038 by: HuangChun
47039 by: Chris, the Young One
47040 by: Chris, the Young One
why they reject my mail
47041 by: jakubski.poczta.arena.pl
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I know there is a recurring thread, "Which readers use maildirs as
folders?" The problem is, the answer is always the same: mutt. No
other mailer uses maildirs as local folders, although a few can use
maildirs as incoming mail spools. (If I'm wrong about this, please let
me know!)
Yes, mutt is just fine. However, we emacs users are discriminated
against; switching to mutt is just not acceptable because it means
losing all the rest of emacs's features from our mail reader. Also,
fans of MH are out in the cold; there is no command-line interface for
handling messages in maildir folders.
I believe that the solution is a CLI maildir-enabled mailreader, similar
in spirit to MH (but without any defects). The resulting tools should be
easily imbeddable into things like Emacs mailreaders (GNUs, mh-e, and
brand-new readers).
If anyone is interested in exploring this idea, please send an empty email
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and follow the directions
in the reply.
If anyone knows of such a project already underway, please let me know at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
For more information, see <http://www.pobox.com/~lbudney/linux/mdmh.html>.
Len.
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Don't believe anything RFC 1912 says until you've verified it elsewhere.
-- Dan Bernstein
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 11:37:31PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> Sounds like a header-insert environment variable for qmail-smtpd is in
> order. Then all the things that run before it, including tcpserver
> and rblsmtpd, could set up stuff in that variable which would become
> headers in the message, and then could be used at the user level for
> maildrop / procmail / autosorting / whatever. I don't remember
> anybody doing this patch yet; anybody?
That certainly would be an extremely powerful tool. Useful for all
sorts of things...
Ben
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Ben Beuchler writes:
> It appears that $TCPREMOTEIP is only available to qmail-smtpd. It is no
> longer in the environment during final message delivery.
No, but you can get the same information from parsing the Received:
headers:
while(<>) {
last if /^$/;
$address = $2 if /^Received:.*\((.*\@)?(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)\)/;
$ip = $address if /^ by (192\.203\.178\.\d+|\w+.crynwr.com) with SMTP;/;
}
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On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 11:53:44PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
> Ben Beuchler writes:
> > It appears that $TCPREMOTEIP is only available to qmail-smtpd. It is no
> > longer in the environment during final message delivery.
>
> No, but you can get the same information from parsing the Received:
> headers:
>
> while(<>) {
> last if /^$/;
> $address = $2 if /^Received:.*\((.*\@)?(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)\)/;
> $ip = $address if /^ by (192\.203\.178\.\d+|\w+.crynwr.com) with SMTP;/;
> }
Aye... I was trying to avoid that as maildrop's string handling isn't
quite on perl's level... But I may just have to surrender to the
inevitable.
Thanks yet again,
Ben
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> I was looking for more detains about the mathematical side of
> the things (e.g., what is the measure of "hurt", in your words
> or the cost to which Dan refers?) and like why the optimal
> retry schedule is essentially independent of the actual
> distribution of message delay times. And why did Dan choose a
> quadratic retry schedule and not, say, a cubic one? For some
> convenience?
The abstract of the paper:
Chao-Ju Hou and Kang G. Shin, "Determination of an optimal retry time in
multiple-module computing systems," IEEE Trans. on Computers, Vol. 45, No.
3, pages 374--379, March, 1996
looks relevant, as do the titles of the papers listed at
http://ftp.ust.hk/dblp/db/indices/a-tree/s/Shin:Kang_G=.html
Hope this helps.
RjL
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 07:42:04PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Rogerio Brito wrote:
> > I was looking for more detains about the mathematical side of
> > the things (e.g., what is the measure of "hurt", in your words
> > or the cost to which Dan refers?) and like why the optimal
> > retry schedule is essentially independent of the actual
> > distribution of message delay times. And why did Dan choose a
> > quadratic retry schedule and not, say, a cubic one? For some
> > convenience?
>
> The abstract of the paper:
>
> Chao-Ju Hou and Kang G. Shin, "Determination of an optimal retry time in
> multiple-module computing systems," IEEE Trans. on Computers, Vol. 45, No.
> 3, pages 374--379, March, 1996
Well spotted Richard.
I haven't looked at this particular paper, but one of the benefits of all
the ATM development work that the Telcos have done over the last 5 or so
years is the intense focus on scheduling algorithms with an emphasis
on fairness and optimal resource usage (oh, and charging for every
packet at every QOS level). Admittedly it tends to be for very short
lived queues (such as cell queues in an ATM switch), but if you're into
reasonably heavy mathematics then this area is rich in related reading
material. Personally I only recommend it for insomniacs...
Mark.
I am the network administrator for a public school system in ARkansas.....
We have just implemented a single qmail mail server for the
district....which consists of 8 schools, on 5 different site locations. our
4 remote elementary schools have 384K dedicated internet connections....and
our main campus has a t-1, that feeds 4 schools plus administration.
The new mail system was put on a single domain on an ip for the main campus.
The 4 remote elementaries have different ip numbers/subnet masks....
when their internet connection is out....which happens often, I would like
for local e-mail delivery to still work, while all remote messages are put
in que. when the connection comes up, messages are sent....transparently.
i would like to do this without running other domains....
Each remote site...(and the main campus for that matter) is connected to a
transparent masquerading proxy (firewall) server....is this possible...maybe
with port forwarding....firewall rules...runing a qmail server on each local
proxy?
I don't have a clue where to start with this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Barry Smoke
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Network Administrator
Bryant Public Schools
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 12:22:12PM -0500, Barry Smoke wrote:
> I am the network administrator for a public school system in ARkansas.....
> We have just implemented a single qmail mail server for the
> district....which consists of 8 schools, on 5 different site locations. our
> 4 remote elementary schools have 384K dedicated internet connections....and
> our main campus has a t-1, that feeds 4 schools plus administration.
> The new mail system was put on a single domain on an ip for the main campus.
> The 4 remote elementaries have different ip numbers/subnet masks....
>
> when their internet connection is out....which happens often, I would like
> for local e-mail delivery to still work, while all remote messages are put
> in que.
Who is they? The remote schools? All connections? How "dedicated"
is a connection which is often down?
> when the connection comes up, messages are sent....transparently.
Sent where? You only have a single qmail server, right?
> i would like to do this without running other domains....
> Each remote site...(and the main campus for that matter) is connected to a
> transparent masquerading proxy (firewall) server....is this possible...maybe
> with port forwarding....firewall rules...runing a qmail server on each local
> proxy?
> I don't have a clue where to start with this.
I'm not sure how you want each person at each school to receive mail.
On top of that, I'm unsure about what failure scenario you're
concerned about.
Can you clear up those points?
John White
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Smoke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:34 PM
To: John White
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: qmail domain heiarchy
>
>> when their internet connection is out....which happens often, I would
like
>> for local e-mail delivery to still work, while all remote messages are
put
>> in que.
>Who is they? The remote schools? All connections? How "dedicated"
>is a connection which is often down?
remote schools...
Is any internet connection really up all the time?....believe me ...it's
enough to worry about.
I am completely open to suggestion on how to go about this...i explained
everything....
>> when the connection comes up, messages are sent....transparently.
>Sent where? You only have a single qmail server, right?
To the main qmail server at bryant.k12.ar.us....yes, at this point a single
qmail server.....
I would like to have some sort of system that catches mail to this server,
checks the headers against a list of local users(take one of our elementary
schools for example....a list of 20 teachers on stored on the proxy that the
mail is checked against) if mail matches a user, deliver it to said user via
a qmail process on local proxy.
Basically I'm wondering if I can cluster the main bryant.k12.ar.us qmail
server out with processes on the proxy server....somehow.....
If one node is undetected...no prob...all other mail is delivered
normally....queued mail is delivered when connection is back up....
> >i would like to do this without running other domains....
> >Each remote site...(and the main campus for that matter) is connected to
a
> >transparent masquerading proxy (firewall) server....is this
possible...maybe
> >with port forwarding....firewall rules...runing a qmail server on each
local
>> proxy?
>
> >I don't have a clue where to start with this.
>I'm not sure how you want each person at each school to receive mail.
>On top of that, I'm unsure about what failure scenario you're
>concerned about.
??? pop3, smtp....lost internet connection at remote sites...
>Can you clear up those points?
>John White
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 01:52:35PM -0500, Barry Smoke wrote:
> >Who is they? The remote schools? All connections? How "dedicated"
> >is a connection which is often down?
>
> remote schools...
Ok.
> I would like to have some sort of system that catches mail to this server,
> checks the headers against a list of local users(take one of our elementary
> schools for example....a list of 20 teachers on stored on the proxy that the
> mail is checked against) if mail matches a user, deliver it to said user via
> a qmail process on local proxy.
I really just don't understand what you mean here.
> Basically I'm wondering if I can cluster the main bryant.k12.ar.us qmail
> server out with processes on the proxy server....somehow.....
>
> If one node is undetected...no prob...all other mail is delivered
> normally....queued mail is delivered when connection is back up....
It sounds like what you might want to do is put a qmail server on
each of the servers at each of the location. Make the terminal
delivery point for each teacher the qmail server at his location.
It's pretty simple, then, to make a .qmail entry for each teacher
at a remote location, forwarding mail the qmail server for that
location.
For example, if teacherA is at schoolN, this would be put in
bryant.k12.ar.us's mx:
~teacherA/.qmail:
&[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >i would like to do this without running other domains....
Not quite sure what you mean by that.
> >I'm not sure how you want each person at each school to receive mail.
> ??? pop3, smtp....
Oh, in that case, just have the mail delivered by smtp. The
teachers can then retrieve their mail via pop3.
I'm asking whether you want teachers at remote locations to
have their mail delivered to a local qmail server so mail
can be retrieved during a network connection outage, or whether
having the mail at a single qmail server which would require
the network connection being up to check mail.
In other words, you seem to have a specific path of delivery
in mind. What the hell is it?
Hint:
smtp and pop3 are not valid answers.
John White
We have just implemented a system virtually exactly like this. It took me
about three weeks to research, design, implement and test. I have been
planning on writing a HOWTO but life is just soooo hectic...
It implements a combination of qmail, fastforward, NIS, NFS, SMTP routing,
and all with a plan of maximum stability and minimum bandwidth. I do have a
fair bit of documentation on it that I've written up for the organisation,
since it is a fairly complex system to set up (but very easy to
maintain...the head of IT loves it!). It is called a REDES...a Reliable and
Efficient Distributed E-mail System, which is made for sharing mail for one
domain around a building, a city (this is what we do), a country, or the
entire globe (although with the latter two security can become an issue
:> ). It also supports the ability to forward other domains to their
relevant users in the case of changing domains from older ones in some
locations.
If you are interested in this, please let me know and I'll forward the doco
to you. AND if anybody else is interested in preparing a HOWTO for it,
please let me know (with reasons) and I'll consider it...
/BR
Manager
InterPlanetary Solutions
http://ipsware.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Smoke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 3:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: qmail domain heiarchy
>
>
> I am the network administrator for a public school system in ARkansas.....
> We have just implemented a single qmail mail server for the
> district....which consists of 8 schools, on 5 different site
> locations. our
> 4 remote elementary schools have 384K dedicated internet
> connections....and
> our main campus has a t-1, that feeds 4 schools plus administration.
> The new mail system was put on a single domain on an ip for the
> main campus.
> The 4 remote elementaries have different ip numbers/subnet masks....
>
> when their internet connection is out....which happens often, I would like
> for local e-mail delivery to still work, while all remote messages are put
> in que. when the connection comes up, messages are
> sent....transparently.
> i would like to do this without running other domains....
> Each remote site...(and the main campus for that matter) is connected to a
> transparent masquerading proxy (firewall) server....is this
> possible...maybe
> with port forwarding....firewall rules...runing a qmail server on
> each local
> proxy?
>
> I don't have a clue where to start with this.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Barry Smoke
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Network Administrator
> Bryant Public Schools
>
Hi,
after having successfully set up qmail I really start loving it ;-).
The only way to get it secure for my purpose seemed to be a smtp after
Pop implementation. So I downloaded the relay-ctrl-2.0.tar.gz package
and installed it as described.
I changed the following lines in defines.h:
RULESDIR "/etc"
TCPRULES "/usr/local/bin/tcprules"
SMTPRULES "tcp.smtp"
SMTPCDB "tcp.smtp.cdb"
I use POP3D via tcpserver and tcpserver with qmail-smtp. Everything
works fine locally.
When I pop the server, the IP of the client gets listed correctly in
/var/spool/relay-ctrl.
But it is not pssible to send any Mail wit a foreign adress even if the
adresse is listed there.
Thanks for any Help
Clemens
> When I pop the server, the IP of the client gets listed correctly in
> /var/spool/relay-ctrl.
> But it is not pssible to send any Mail wit a foreign adress even if the
> adresse is listed there.
Hi Clemens. It would REALLY help us with more details about this. What does
qmail-stat show? What do the logs show? What is the error? etc...
/BR
Manager
InterPlanetary Solutions
http://ipsware.com/
According to the
http://www.qmail.org
site, Yahoo! is using qmail.
=== Al
--- Brett Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At times, in the past, I've even had bounces saying that a yahoo user
> doesn't exist. An e-mail the day after might go fine, then a few days later
> it'll go astray again...
>
> Definitely a few machines in that bank which need some heart surgery
>
> Perhaps they're using sendmail? :>
>
> /BR
>
>
> Manager
> InterPlanetary Solutions
> http://ipsware.com/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ben Beuchler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:50 AM
> > To: qmail list
> > Subject: yahoo down?
> >
> >
> > Is it just my imagination or am I seeing a larger than normal number of
> > yahoo.com messages building up in my remote queue?
> >
> > I've tried a few telnet sessions to port 25 on mx7.mail.yahoo.com and
> > sometimes it gets through and sometimes it doesn't...
> >
> > Annoyed,
> > Ben
> >
> > --
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On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 01:30:22PM -0700, Al Sparks wrote:
> According to the
> http://www.qmail.org
> site, Yahoo! is using qmail.
I believe they use it for their outbound queue, but apparently not for
their inbound mail.
Ben
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Tim Jones writes:
> The installation appears good -- qmail-lint reports no problems.
How many other newbies use qmail-lint? I"m wondering if I should
change it so that it "enforces" the use of ucspi-tcp and daemontools.
It's just so much easier to get working, even though it makes for more
programs to download, compile, and setup.
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Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensive now
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | now, wait until you see
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free.
Ben Beuchler writes:
> Yeah, I seem to have a mental glitch lately that tells my fingers to
> type "it's" in all the wrong places.
It's hard to get right.
> I've read the doc you mention. I found it rather tough to follow. I
> just received some info from Russ that I think is unlocking my mental
> block for me, so it may make some sense for me by tomorrow.
That would be Allbery, I'm guessticating.
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Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensive now
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | now, wait until you see
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free.
Steve Wolfe writes:
> On a machine with multiple IP addresses bound to one NIC, is it possible
> to control which IP address qmail will use for incoming and/or outgoing SMTP
> connections? For POP3?
Only for incoming, by handing the IP address to tcpserver.
It could be done for outgoing, but nobody has written such a patch.
For what it's worth, Dan Bernstein says that it's frivolous.
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Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensive now
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | now, wait until you see
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free.
Ben Beuchler writes:
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 11:45:58PM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote:
>
> > I've released my logselect program as a patch to daemontools-0.70.
>
> I'm sorry if this seems like a silly question, but what is the intended
> uuse for this program? Remote log retrieval?
Yes. I've got four customers on support contracts with clustered SMTP
servers who need/want better reporting. Need to get the log files
over to another machine. Could use ssh, but it's better (more secure)
to run a program which just transfers log file entries.
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Vincent Danen writes:
> Please, when testing, make sure they comply with
> http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html and
> http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html. This is the only way they will
> be approved by DJB, so if there are any discrepencies, please let me
> know.
As far as I know, Dan is giving you permission, not conditions for his
approval. You *already* have his permission to distribute the binary
releases, as long as you abide by the restrictions he imposes.
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Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensive now
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Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free.
hello friends
i am trying to apply following patches on qmail-1.03 , but not able to
apply all those
1> qmail-bounce.patch
2> qmail-ldap-20000601.patch
3> patching dns.c with appropriate patch
4> qmail-big-concurrency.patch
5> qmail-big-todo. patch
is there any one who had applied all these patches on qmail-1.03 , if
so , then please guide me in which sequence i have to apply these patches
, i have tried many permutations and combinations for applying these
patches but its not happening for me ,
it gives (after patching qmail-with 2-3 patches) already applies, want to
recurse "-R" etc , i dont know the exact messages but it was similliar to
these
thanks
Prashant Desai
|
Hi, All,
I think there is some design bu on qmail's APOP
command.
When qmail implement the APOP pop3 command, it does not use
the MD5 encryption to check the user's md5-digest-string. However, RFC1321
tell us it shoud do that.
If anybody can explain this for me? thx. :)
-signal
|
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 05:01:02PM +0800, HuangChun wrote:
> When qmail implement the APOP pop3 command, it does not use the MD5
> encryption to check the user's md5-digest-string. However, RFC1321 tell
> us it shoud do that.
Umm. qmail-pop3d just passes the authentication tokens to some program
like checkpassword. checkpassword doesn't handle APOP responses, by the
way, so you need to use an authenticating program that does.
Would you like to write one and contribute it to qmail.org? :-)
---Chris K.
--
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Auckland, New Zealand |_ all of 16 days, 03:54:38
http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 09:20:03PM +1200, Chris, the Young One wrote:
> Umm. qmail-pop3d just passes the authentication tokens to some program
> like checkpassword. checkpassword doesn't handle APOP responses, by the
> way, so you need to use an authenticating program that does.
s/pop3d/popup/. I must proofread my messages before I send them...
---Chris K.
--
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Auckland, New Zealand |_ this is UDP, not TCP after all ;) ---John H.
http://cloud9.hedgee.com/ |_ Robinson, IV
Hi
Sometimes when I send mail to different people a few messages
are coming back to me as not sent. The reason is I guess everytime
the same (although the qmail's messages differ a little bit).
And these qmail's notes are like these two:
Connected to xxx.xx.xx.xx but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
501 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... Sender domain must exist.
Connected to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx but sender was rejected. Remote host said:
553 5.4.3 Policy analysis reports DNS error with your source domain.
I do not understand this. Most of my messages is posted without any
problems. Always I edit mail in mutt and I use option "edit headers"
to be able to send e-mails to for example this list. I do not have
my own domain name because I connect to internet via modem and rather
seldom. So how is it possible that some hosts know my real FQDN
(although I edit headers of my all messages) and why they reject
my e-mails? And others do not do it - why? And maybe some of you
know what can I do to fix this problem with domain name.
Thank you for help,
qba
