Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-04-01 Thread Andreas Ecker
Hi Jim and others, let me add a few remarks so that people don't get confused about layout managers. Of course, qooxdoo allows you to position widgets with absolute coordinates. Nothing's really gonna change here for 0.8. For absolute positioning there has always been a layout manager, either imp

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-04-01 Thread Fabian Jakobs
Jim Hunter schrieb: > I guess you think I want an application that simply looks like 'a' > Windows application, no, I need it to look exactly (translated means > the exact same control placement, size, etc) as our current Windows > application. With the current .7.x version of qooxdoo, I can eas

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread Jim Hunter
I guess you think I want an application that simply looks like 'a' Windows application, no, I need it to look exactly (translated means the exact same control placement, size, etc) as our current Windows application. With the current .7.x version of qooxdoo, I can easily do that because when I crea

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread Leander Hanwald
Hi Jim, I not really understand what you means with "Perhaps if I was creating a 'web page' I would want things to layout on their own, but I am creating an application that needs exact positioning" since most modern desktop ui systems also base on layout managers, that is not web or qooxdoo s

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread Jim Hunter
I can tell you that for the work I do, I want to absolutely place almost everything. There are only a few instances right now where I let things "go where they may". My app needs to 'look' just like our Windows app, and to do that, I need to place controls at the precise coordinates. And my control

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread Rüdiger Herrmann
Thomas, we want to layout widgets manually. Like one would do with a CanvasLayout in 0.7. Cheers, Rüdiger thron7 wrote: > Ruediger, > > just to clarify things: Do you want a situation where you can position a > child in a widget with absolute coordinates, and then all other childs > get autom

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread thron7
Ruediger, just to clarify things: Do you want a situation where you can position a child in a widget with absolute coordinates, and then all other childs get automatically adjusted by the layout manager (as far as this is possible), or do you want to do all layouting directly so there is no auto-l

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-31 Thread Fabian Jakobs
Rüdiger Herrmann schrieb: > Hi Fabian, > > sorry for the delayed answer, we have been away for EclipseCon. > Please see my comments below. > > Cheers, > Rüdiger > > Fabian Jakobs wrote: > >> Rüdiger Herrmann schrieb: >> >>> Hi Fabian, >>> >>> I found one more thing that I really like about

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-26 Thread Rüdiger Herrmann
Hi Fabian, sorry for the delayed answer, we have been away for EclipseCon. Please see my comments below. Cheers, Rüdiger Fabian Jakobs wrote: > Rüdiger Herrmann schrieb: >> Hi Fabian, >> >> I found one more thing that I really like about 0.8. The separation >> in a layer that handles browser-sp

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-13 Thread Fabian Jakobs
Rüdiger Herrmann schrieb: > Hi Fabian, > > I found one more thing that I really like about 0.8. The separation > in a layer that handles browser-specific issues and a high-level > widget set that is based on the former. > If only the layout system weren't that hard to use (if ever)... > please s

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-12 Thread Rüdiger Herrmann
Hi Fabian, I found one more thing that I really like about 0.8. The separation in a layer that handles browser-specific issues and a high-level widget set that is based on the former. If only the layout system weren't that hard to use (if ever)... please see my comments inlined. Cheers, Rüdige

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-12 Thread Fabian Jakobs
Leander Hanwald schrieb: > Hi Rüdiger, > > nice text, thank you. That is very interessting for everyone who hasn't > testet the devel code of 0.8 so far. > > I understand what you mean, the code is now much longer, especially the > long functionname "setLayoutProperty" seems to be a little bit >

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-12 Thread Leander Hanwald
Hi Rüdiger, nice text, thank you. That is very interessting for everyone who hasn't testet the devel code of 0.8 so far. I understand what you mean, the code is now much longer, especially the long functionname "setLayoutProperty" seems to be a little bit out-of-place, also the code is a littl

Re: [qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-12 Thread Fabian Jakobs
Hi Rüdiger, thank you for your feedback. I think you are one of the first using the 0.8 widgets. Your feedback is very helpful because you can look at it from a different point of view. Please keep us up to date :-) > Hi all, > > I just started experimenting with 0.8, and found things that I li

[qooxdoo-devel] 0.8 API for widget bounds and parent/child relation

2008-03-12 Thread Rüdiger Herrmann
Hi all, I just started experimenting with 0.8, and found things that I like and some that I don't like, which I would like to share here. * a great achievement is, that no widget property relies on the widget being realized (i.e. the DOM node was created). We will happily remove all those "