Re: [qubes-devel] Difference between PVH and PVHVM

2017-12-16 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 04:58:20AM -0800, Vít Šesták wrote: > > As for PVHv2 - in theory it should be available in 4.0 already, if you > > have VM kernel new enough (4.11+). > > Good to know. I guess that when I have a suitable kernel, I also need t

Re: [qubes-devel] Difference between PVH and PVHVM

2017-12-16 Thread Vít Šesták
Hello, > > I believe that getting rid of QEMU is rather getting rid of PV domains than > > getting rid of QEMU itself. > > Yes and no. From security POV this is correct. But at the same time, > having qemu (with appropriate isolation) use resources (RAM, CPU), which > already are scarce on Qubes

Re: [qubes-devel] Difference between PVH and PVHVM

2017-12-16 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 02:10:17AM -0800, Vít Šesták wrote: > Just few notes: > > I believe that getting rid of QEMU is rather getting rid of PV domains than > getting rid of QEMU itself. Yes and no. From security POV this is correct. But at the s

Re: [qubes-devel] Difference between PVH and PVHVM

2017-12-16 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:45:34PM -0500, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote: > Marmarek or HW42 could probably give you better answers, but the > following is my understanding: > > The terminology is admittedly somewhat confusing, especially since Xen > people no longer talk about a discrete set of virt

Re: [qubes-devel] Difference between PVH and PVHVM

2017-12-16 Thread Vít Šesták
Just few notes: I believe that getting rid of QEMU is rather getting rid of PV domains than getting rid of QEMU itself. * First, privilege elevation is not much a threat in Qubes. OTOH, VM escape is a fatal threat. * I believe QEMU vulnerabilities typically require some lowlevel access to devi