Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-11 Thread Chris Laprise
On 2/9/19 9:59 AM, unman wrote: It seems to me that Qubes simply doesn't fit the bill, and *does* make the situation significantly worse. OP said that: "The system administrators working in my company do not want to let user access to the internal network with OS that are not under their control

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-11 Thread brendan . hoar
On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 7:07:53 PM UTC-5, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 2/8/19 5:12 AM, Francesco Frassinelli wrote: > > > The issue you mention is more about trust in employees, the trust > > model, than about selected OS in usage. > > > > The problem is that there are cryptolockers,

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-11 Thread qubes-fan
Feb 9, 2019, 3:41 AM by js...@bitmessage.ch: > brendan.h...@gmail.com > : > >> On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 10:24:17 AM UTC-5, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: >> >>> This kind of total (enterprise) control was planned for qubes 4.x - >>> however I don't hear about real

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-09 Thread unman
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 07:07:45PM -0500, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 2/8/19 5:12 AM, Francesco Frassinelli wrote: > > Feb 8, 2019, 10:42 AM by > qubes-...@tutanota.com > > : > > > Feb 8, 2019, 9:05 AM by frap...@gmail.com : > > > > > > >

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread jsnow
brendan.h...@gmail.com: On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 10:24:17 AM UTC-5, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: This kind of total (enterprise) control was planned for qubes 4.x - however I don't hear about real life usage. Yeah, I recall reading about that. I think this is what you're talking about?

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread Chris Laprise
On 2/8/19 5:12 AM, Francesco Frassinelli wrote: Feb 8, 2019, 10:42 AM by qubes-...@tutanota.com : > Feb 8, 2019, 9:05 AM by frap...@gmail.com : > > > Hi! > > > > The system administrators working in my company do not want to let

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread brendan . hoar
On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 10:24:17 AM UTC-5, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: > On 2/8/19 3:55 PM, brendan wrote: > > Anyway. The open source OpenXT (open source based on the above) > > is/was designed for the use case discussed in this thread and is > > the underlying platform of DoD's SecureView

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread Zrubi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2/8/19 3:55 PM, brendan.h...@gmail.com wrote: > Anyway. The open source OpenXT (open source based on the above) > is/was designed for the use case discussed in this thread and is > the underlying platform of DoD's SecureView environment. > >

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread brendan . hoar
[To the Qubes team - have there been efforts to support enterprise clients?] Frafra - When NxTop was released I did some beta work with them and was sad when Citrix acquired them, renamed the product XenClient XT, stopped considering non-enterprise use cases and then, finally, killed the

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread Francesco Frassinelli
Feb 8, 2019, 10:42 AM by qubes-...@tutanota.com: > Feb 8, 2019, 9:05 AM by frap...@gmail.com: > > > Hi! > > > > The system administrators working in my company do not want to let user access to the internal network with OS that are not under their control and they only support Windows at the

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread qubes-fan
Feb 8, 2019, 9:05 AM by frap...@gmail.com: > Hi! > > The system administrators working in my company do not want to let user > access to the internal network with OS that are not under their control and > they only support Windows at the moment. > > I would like to propose QubesOS as an

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread Zrubi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2/8/19 10:05 AM, frap...@gmail.com wrote: > The system administrators would not have to support QubesOS, just > the Windows VM, but this solution could only be accepted if I am > able to show that there is a reasonable guarantee that tampering >

Re: [qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread Zrubi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2/8/19 10:05 AM, frap...@gmail.com wrote: > My question is: how secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it? > Is SGX a technology that can be used to provide that level of > security? If so, is it used by QubesOS at the moment? Currently there

[qubes-users] How secure is a VM if a user tries to tampers it?

2019-02-08 Thread fraph24
Hi! The system administrators working in my company do not want to let user access to the internal network with OS that are not under their control and they only support Windows at the moment. I would like to propose QubesOS as an alternative, with a Windows VM managed by them inside it,