Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Kaz Kylheku
On Mar 30, 5:32 am, Spoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words, assume my clock says it is some time last year, and > gains 1 second every day (11.6 ppm). I don't want NTP to either slew or > step my clock to the correct time, but I still would want it to fix this > 1 s per day (11.6 ppm) fr

[ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.4p2-RC1 Released

2007-04-14 Thread NTP Public Services Project
Redwood City, CA - 2007/04/14 - The NTP Public Services Project (http://ntp.isc.org/) is pleased to announce that NTP 4.2.4p2-RC1, a Release Candidate of the NTP Reference Implementation from the NTP Project, is now available at http://ntp.isc.org/download. Bug Fixes: * [Bug 811] ntpd should not

Re: [ntp:questions] Will ntpd tell me if it encounters problems?

2007-04-14 Thread Danny Mayer
David Woolley wrote: > ntpd also has a trap reporting mechanism, but I don't know of any > standard trap receiver for ntpd and you will still have the problem > of inferring the failure as the local clock will prevent ntpd detecting > it as a failure. I don't know anything about this. Care to exp

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS kit for 2.6 linux kernels?

2007-04-14 Thread Michael L. Semon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Michael L. Semon wrote: >> 1) Use my current Linux 2.6.18.1 + LinuxPPS and sit and watch as ntpd >> darts +/- 120 us over the course of a few hours, even when idle. >> >> 2) Reboot to FreeBSD and let the kernel, hardpps, and the NTP kernel >> code make more radical short-

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread David Woolley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Murray) wrote: > Then your goal is not to synchronize B's clock to A's clock, you need > to synchronize B's clock to the source of your CBR data. How good is No. He wants to synchronize B's clock to the that of the machine that is adding ti

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Hal Murray
>A has no control over the rate of the data stream: A receives a CBR data >stream from a local device, stuffs the data into packets, and sends them >over the network. B is not allowed to discard any packet. Then your goal is not to synchronize B's clock to A's clock, you need to synchronize B's cl

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Harlan Stenn
Perhaps I am revisiting a known topic, and it sounds like you may have 2 problems, one is keeping the time on several machines in sync to a known degree of precision and accuracy, and the second problem may be strobing all of these machines to the same master clock frequency. H __

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Harlan Stenn
The Garmin GPS 18 LVC (or whatever) is under US$80. You'd have to check with other folks about the prices of different units. Then it's a function of local reality. Is it practical to run an antenna wire from your NTP machine to a GPS unit? Is it practical to put a (possibly very small) machine

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux client ntp

2007-04-14 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Riccardo Castellani) >>> writes: Riccardo> 1. I thought with "restrict default ignore" settings it was more Riccardo> secure for client, which will reject all packets except for server Riccardo> A/B. At this time I suppose that "restrict de

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux client ntp

2007-04-14 Thread Riccardo Castellani
1. I thought with "restrict default ignore" settings it was more secure for client, which will reject all packets except for server A/B. At this time I suppose that "restrict default nomodify nopeer notrap noquery" setting can permitting to client to synchronize itself to server A/B but will not

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Spoon wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> If you can receive CDMA cellphone signals in the bunker you could use a >> product such as the Endrun Technologies PraecisCT: >> >> http://www.endruntechnologies.com/network-time-source.htm > > Do you know the price of this solution? Is the signal sent i

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Steve Kostecke wrote: > If you can receive CDMA cellphone signals in the bunker you could use a > product such as the Endrun Technologies PraecisCT: http://www.endruntechnologies.com/gps-cdma3.htm states: CDMA is virtually absent in Europe. Is that statement true today? Is there another tec

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Hans Jørgen Jakobsen wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> Hans Jørgen Jakobsen wrote: >> >>> The master(A) send packets out at its rate. >>> B answers trying to have N in the buffer. >> >> This was my original implementation. It did not work well. > > Did you have a buffer large enough to take care of jitt

[ntp:questions] Influence of temperature on PC oscillators

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Hello, I've found the following articles rather interesting: http://www.wraith.sf.ca.us/ntp/#bios-issues http://www.ijs.si/time/temp-compensation/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage-controlled_oscillator Regards. ___ questions mailing list [EMAIL PR

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Steve Kostecke wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> In my situation, I don't care what time it is, but my clock needs >> to tick at the correct rate. > > The least expensive means of getting your clock to tick at the correct > rate is to synchronize it to the ubiquitous time-base known as UTC. > >> I thin

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Hal Murray wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> I'll try to explain my situation in detail. >> >> Consider two systems, A and B. >> >> A sends ~1000 UDP packets per second to B. >> >> A timestamps each packet. >> >> These packets travel over an IP network, and suffer delay and jitter. >> >> B is supposed t

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Maarten Wiltink wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> Maarten Wiltink wrote: >> >>> [...] could you monitor the buffer length and adjust frequency >>> on system B from that? If it's slowly draining, slow down B a little; >>> if it's growing, speed it up ever so slightly. Just like NTP does, >>> really. >> >

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Richard B. gilbert wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> Hans Jørgen Jakobsen wrote: >> >>> Spoon wrote: >>> Consider two systems, A and B. A sends ~1000 UDP packets per second to B. A timestamps each packet. These packets travel over an IP network, and suffer delay and jit

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:43:57 +0200, Spoon wrote: > > Here are some links for my own reference: > > > http://www.trimble.com/timing.shtml > http://www.trimble.com/tmg_acutime2k.shtml -> EOL Its only RS232 version thats EOL. Differential (~RS485 like) still available. (Part of Acutime 2000

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Harlan Stenn wrote: > Are you running the kernel time discipline stuff? > If so, please see http://bugs.ntp.isc.org/740 I'm not sure exactly what "kernel time discipline stuff" means. (I'm running Linux 2.6.20.5-rt8 and glibc 2.3.6) My observations do not correspond to the problem described in bu

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting NTP to correct only the clock skew

2007-04-14 Thread Spoon
Brian Debelius wrote: > Spoon wrote: > >> The very hard part (for me) is seeing that B's buffer is in fact slowly >> draining when there is a lot of jitter on the link between A and B. >> >> I've tried using an exponentially-weighted moving average to filter the >> jitter out, but it didn't work