Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-10 Thread Harlan Stenn
Why don't you test how well the laptop works as a "time transportation" mechanism first? And they can make their own decision about how well the alternatives work. If the laptop does it for them, great. If not, they might be able to use a modem driver or a low-cost (~US$80) GPS receiver. H ___

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-10 Thread Danny Mayer
Henk Penning wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uwe Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> I would however add that having time-zone aliases would make it easy >>> for OS distributions to automatically configure the NTP servers. For > >> The next best thing imho would b

Re: [ntp:questions] Is high jitter contagious?

2007-09-10 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David Woolley wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>jitter the other nodes are reporting from node-1? That is, is high >>jitter contagious? > > > I'm not sure how jitter gets reflected into the protocol responses, but it > certainly ought to affect the time q

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-10 Thread Rikishi 42
On 2007-09-09, Steve Kostecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [NOTE: My configuration suggestions are at the bottom of this rather > long article] Many thanks in advance, for the effort. The precision desired here is one of human scale, not milliseconds (or worse). >>> >>> Please define "

Re: [ntp:questions] Is high jitter contagious?

2007-09-10 Thread Harlan Stenn
For the situation you describe I would recommend running the local refclock on your master server at 2 stratum values "worse" than the worst upstream server it would be talking to. If you leave the local refclock stratum at 10 and this machine usually talks to an S2 server, that means your master

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2007-09-10, Danny Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> ATTRIBUTION MISSING wrote: >> >>> ATTRIBUTION MISSING wrote: >>> 1. You need to have a drift file that contains an accurate frequency. >>> >>> Not an option for me, too fussy. >> >> It's a requirement. The

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Hal Murray
>> Re the old versions thing - IBM seem to have a habit of using old >> versions of software... >I think just about all the vendors do this! It might have something to >do with the fact that there is still no RFC for NTP V4. I doubt if the RFC is a problem. How about: If it aidn't broke, don

Re: [ntp:questions] Is high jitter contagious?

2007-09-10 Thread David Woolley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > jitter the other nodes are reporting from node-1? That is, is high > jitter contagious? I'm not sure how jitter gets reflected into the protocol responses, but it certainly ought to affect the time quality seen downstream. It is a defin

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-10 Thread evandro
> Have you looked at the 'preempt' keyword on the server config line? > > I think you'll find that it is pretty close to (at least parts of) what > you're asking for. Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but once a server is "preempted" or discarded, it won't be contacted ever again. If so, then "

[ntp:questions] Is high jitter contagious?

2007-09-10 Thread dromedaryl
I have a 10 node network, where each node is on the same same subnet (and the same switch). The nodes are running FreeBSD. Node 1 is the only node that uses an external NTP server (of stratum 2, and it's really on the same subnet as the nodes). Node-1's ntp.conf is: server ntp.xxx.com

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Clive George
"Harlan Stenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Clive George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Clive> Turns out it's likely to be this problem: > > Clive> http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1IY83597 > > iburst was n

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Clive George
"Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> How about telling us what changed to make it stop working? >> >> >> If I knew that, I'd have a rather better idea of what to do about it :-) >> >> I've not changed anything on the ntp side, nor am I aware of any

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Woolley) writes: >Clive George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 10 Sep 10:02:26 xntpd[1450078]: 3.4y David> Version 3.4 is very obsolete and really is xntpd (some vendors David> mis-label the current version as xntpd). Knowledge of this v

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-10 Thread Terje Mathisen
Henk Penning wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uwe Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> I would however add that having time-zone aliases would make it easy >>> for OS distributions to automatically configure the NTP servers. For > >> The next best thing imho would b

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Clive George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Clive> Turns out it's likely to be this problem: Clive> http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1IY83597 iburst was not available until the ntp4 release, as I recall. So it looks like IBM has imported a fair

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-10 Thread Henk Penning
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Uwe Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I would however add that having time-zone aliases would make it easy >> for OS distributions to automatically configure the NTP servers. For >The next best thing imho would be to select by lowest hopcount a

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Clive George wrote: > "Danny Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Clive George wrote: >> >>> "Jason Rabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Which version of NTP are you using? Any output from the debug or syslog? >

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Clive George
"Danny Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Clive George wrote: >> "Jason Rabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Which version of NTP are you using? Any output from the debug or syslog? >> >> I'm running the one which came with

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Clive George wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Clive George wrote: >> >>> Hi - >>> >>> On one of our AIX 5.3 boxes, xntpd isn't very happy. If I run >>> >>> xntpd -l /home/cg5/a.a -dd >>> >>> it lasts about 10 seconds before h

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread David Woolley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Clive George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 10 Sep 10:02:26 xntpd[1450078]: 3.4y Version 3.4 is very obsolete and really is xntpd (some vendors mis-label the current version as xntpd). Knowledge of this version has largely expired, and the fix for any problem would

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Danny Mayer
Clive George wrote: > "Jason Rabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Which version of NTP are you using? Any output from the debug or syslog? > > I'm running the one which came with our version of AIX 5.3 - I did try > looking for a version command before askin

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Clive George
"Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Clive George wrote: >> Hi - >> >> On one of our AIX 5.3 boxes, xntpd isn't very happy. If I run >> >> xntpd -l /home/cg5/a.a -dd >> >> it lasts about 10 seconds before hanging and not responding to any >> r

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Clive George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Clive George wrote: >>> Hi - >>> >>> On one of our AIX 5.3 boxes, xntpd isn't very happy. If I run >>> >>> xntpd -l /home/cg5/a.a -dd >>> >>> it lasts about 10 seconds before hanging and not responding to

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-10 Thread Clive George
"Jason Rabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Which version of NTP are you using? Any output from the debug or syslog? I'm running the one which came with our version of AIX 5.3 - I did try looking for a version command before asking the question :-) Any ideas how