Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David Woolley
Danny Mayer wrote: No, ntpd deliberately limits frequency changes to 500 PPM. That's hard coded. You need to avoid using anything greater than that as Dave has explained. That would be the reason why it taks ntpd longer to bring the clock back to the right time. Assuming that the static

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Petri Kaukasoina
David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petri Kaukasoina wrote: Basically, it stepped time with ntpdate, slept 100 seconds and stepped time again with ntpdate. From the time adjustment, the script calculated the drift value and put that to the drift file. Again, the time offset always stays

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David Woolley
Petri Kaukasoina wrote: David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That has quite a lot of similarity with what ntpd itself does if it is cold started with iburst. The only big difference is that it uses 900, Hmm, I can't see that. I put in only one good time source with iburst, deleted

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Jan Ceuleers
David, David Woolley wrote: ISTR that time stamps on financial transactions are required to be within two seconds of the correct time. With NTP that standard is not too difficult to meet. In 2006, it turns out that it was 3 seconds http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/2125.pdf, NIST is a US

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David Woolley
Jan Ceuleers wrote: NIST is a US government institution; might there perhaps be different laws or regulations elsewhere in the world? Does anyone among the readership here know? I used the US case as that is the one that has come up on the newsgroup, but I assume there are similar rules

Re: [ntp:questions] Book Publishers (Was: NTP vs chrony comparison)

2008-01-26 Thread Jason Rabel
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Computer Network Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol by David L. Mills (Hardcover - Mar 24, 2006) Available from Amazon.com. You may be able to find a copy at a University Book store. Be prepared for Sticker Shock. It ain't cheap! Publishing in

Re: [ntp:questions] Book Publishers (Was: NTP vs chrony comparison)

2008-01-26 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Jason Rabel wrote: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Computer Network Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol by David L. Mills (Hardcover - Mar 24, 2006) Available from Amazon.com. You may be able to find a copy at a University Book store. Be prepared for Sticker Shock. It ain't cheap!

[ntp:questions] NTP daemon - fixed offset against real time

2008-01-26 Thread msmucr
Hello, i would like to ask you for help or ideas with one ntp related task. I need to setup one ntp server to serve its sntp clients with time, which is specific amount of time (several seconds) in advance against correct real time taken from another ntp server in network. I did some search in

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP daemon - fixed offset against real time

2008-01-26 Thread Dennis Hilberg, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, i would like to ask you for help or ideas with one ntp related task. I need to setup one ntp server to serve its sntp clients with time, which is specific amount of time (several seconds) in advance against correct real time taken from another ntp server in

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David L. Mills
Richard, There were several different architecture computers considered in the 1995 and 1998 studies, incluing SPARC, Alpha, Intel and several lab instruments. All oscillators conformed to a simple model: white phase noise (slope -1) below the intercept, random-walk frequency noise (slope

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP daemon - fixed offset against real time

2008-01-26 Thread msmucr
On 26 Led, 19:03, Dennis Hilberg, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, i would like to ask you for help or ideas with one ntp related task. I need to setup one ntp server to serve its sntp clients with time, which is specific amount of time (several seconds) in

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David L. Mills wrote: Richard, There were several different architecture computers considered in the 1995 and 1998 studies, incluing SPARC, Alpha, Intel and several lab instruments. All oscillators conformed to a simple model: white phase noise (slope -1) below the intercept, random-walk

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David L. Mills
Danny, Unless the computer clock intrinsic frequency error is huge, the only time the 500-PPM kicks in is with a 100-ms step transient and poll interval 16 s. The loop still works if it hits the stops; it just can't drive the offset to zero. Dave Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: David L.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David L. Mills
Petru, The default 900-s stepout interval was originally determined by the time an old Spectracom WWVB receiver took to regain synchronization after a leapsecond and should probably be reduced. It can of course be tinkere. During the initial training period the time is not disciplined other

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Mayer) writes: Unruh wrote: David L. Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reading your claims literally, chrony would have to slew the clock considerably greater than the 500 PPM provided by the standard Unix adjtime() system call. Please explain how it does that.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Unruh
David J Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] Computer Network Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol by David L. Mills (Hardcover - Mar 24, 2006) Available from Amazon.com. You may be able to find a copy at a University Book store. Be prepared for Sticker

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread David L. Mills
David, I don't know your version, but the TSET state was removed some time ago and your comments are different from the current source. It's really hard to test the discipline under all conceivable conditions. Now and then somebody cooks up a case considered very unlikely, like Solaris

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Unruh
David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I was expecting was for it to unconditionally do both frequency and phase calibration, in the absence of the drift file. I presume that chrony does a correction on the first couple of samples and then refines it. Yes. Actually it does a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-26 Thread Unruh
Richard B. Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David, Why are you telling me this? My contribution to this thread consisted of the above exposition of the publication data and availability of Das Buch. He is not good at following attributions in threads. He addressed it to you because he read

Re: [ntp:questions] strange behaviour of ntp peerstats entries.

2008-01-26 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Mayer) writes: Unruh wrote: Brian Utterback [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unruh wrote: David L. Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might not have noticed a couple of crucial issues in the clock filter code. I did notice them all. Thus my caveate. However throwing