Re: [ntp:questions] 1 Machine, 2 NICs, 2 Instances of ntpd; Possible?

2008-03-12 Thread David Woolley
Maarten Wiltink wrote: > "David Woolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> stratum >> root distance >> root dispersion >> system peer >> local reference time >> leap bits >> etc. > > Yes. Those are all client-part statistics that could easily be made > available to

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread David Woolley
Unruh wrote: > that is why there is a proposed file system standard. > Log files in /var/log/ntp say. > Drift file in /etc/ntp.drift > config file in /etc/ntp.conf > I think they were referring to the Linux filesystem standard, and one of the things that does is to move things out of /etc. In

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Anybody who runs a "packaged" configuration deserves whatever happens to > him. Windows comes configured to use time.windows.com. AFAIK that's Most people run packaged systems these days. When they go wrong, they will not RTFM, or ask the packager. They come her

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-12 Thread Martin Burnicki
Ryan, Ryan Malayter wrote: > Okay, I just did some packet captures. It appears that Vista, when > configured *only* with a time server host name or IP address, will > first issue an NTP client mode request, and then an NTP symmetric > active requirest a few miliseconds later. > > I imagine this d

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-12 Thread Martin Burnicki
Dave, David L. Mills wrote: > Martin, > > Thanks for the reminder. In the six years hence the code has gone > through a number of securiy audits and defensive adjustments, one or > more of which might have plugged the hole. The code at time.nist.gov is > 4.1.1b, which must be before 4.1.1c, dated

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: David Woolley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:11:23 + > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Unruh wrote: > > > that is why there is a proposed file system standard. > > Log files in /var/log/ntp say. > > Drift file in /etc/ntp.drift > > config file in /etc/ntp.conf > >

Re: [ntp:questions] 1 Machine, 2 NICs, 2 Instances of ntpd; Possible?

2008-03-12 Thread Maarten Wiltink
"David Woolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Maarten Wiltink wrote: >> "David Woolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> stratum >>> root distance >>> root dispersion >>> system peer >>> local reference time >>> leap bits >>> etc. >

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David Woolley wrote: > Unruh wrote: > >> that is why there is a proposed file system standard. Log files in >> /var/log/ntp say. >> Drift file in /etc/ntp.drift >> config file in /etc/ntp.conf >> > > I think they were referring to the Linux filesystem standard, and one of > the things that does

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David Woolley wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> Anybody who runs a "packaged" configuration deserves whatever happens >> to him. Windows comes configured to use time.windows.com. AFAIK that's > > > > Most people run packaged systems these days. When they go wrong, they > will not RTF

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-12 Thread David L. Mills
Martin, Maybe so, but when I tried both XP and Vista before the change I mentioned, both timed out and did not work. Dave Martin Burnicki wrote: > Ryan, > > Ryan Malayter wrote: > >>Okay, I just did some packet captures. It appears that Vista, when >>configured *only* with a time server host

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-12 Thread David L. Mills
Martin, Thanks for the link. What astonishes me is that, while Microsoft clearly understands the issue, they refuse to change the default. I cling to my conclusion this is a purposeful attempt to enhance product differentiation. The workaround is clearly dangerous for the general application an

Re: [ntp:questions] 1 Machine, 2 NICs, 2 Instances of ntpd; Possible?

2008-03-12 Thread David L. Mills
Maartin and others, The intended model for monitoring and control is clearly articulated in the control and monitoring protocol defined in rfc 1305. This model provides status words and event codes explicitly designed for remote access and as a demarcation between the idiosyncratic inner workin

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Unruh
David Woolley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Anybody who runs a "packaged" configuration deserves whatever happens to >> him. Windows comes configured to use time.windows.com. AFAIK that's >Most people run packaged systems these days. When they go wrong, they >wi

Re: [ntp:questions] pool configuration directive on Windows

2008-03-12 Thread Martin Burnicki
Harlan Stenn wrote: > Martin, at the risk of repeating what I said in a recent similar reply, > the information you seek (with the exception of Dave's email/newsgroup > postings) should already be in the CommitLog file. .. which doesn't make it easier for non-developers to find out whether a speci

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Unruh
"Richard B. Gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >David Woolley wrote: >> Unruh wrote: >> >>> that is why there is a proposed file system standard. Log files in >>> /var/log/ntp say. >>> Drift file in /etc/ntp.drift >>> config file in /etc/ntp.conf >>> >> >> I think they were referring to the L

Re: [ntp:questions] May sound like a newbe question, but....

2008-03-12 Thread Unruh
Martin Burnicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Koos, >Koos van den Hout wrote: >> If you just want to adjust the server they contact for syncing (and not >> the other settings) you could modify the local dns (if you control that) >> to make 'time.windows.com' point to your local timeserver. >Thoug

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows Time with NTPv4

2008-03-12 Thread Evandro Menezes
But doesn't symmetric association require authorization or is it only true when there's a keys file? I ask because after following this thread, I noticed that NTP running on our NAS had three Windows XP systems as peers. Luckily, their jitter sucked and being themselves synchronized to the NAS th

Re: [ntp:questions] drift value very large and very unstable

2008-03-12 Thread Rick Jones
> >File System Standard? What's that?? Unix tends to put things in > >more or less standard places but it's not guaranteed that system > >A's file system or directory naming will be compatible with system > >B. Once you > that is why there is a proposed file system standard. But there are so

Re: [ntp:questions] 1 Machine, 2 NICs, 2 Instances of ntpd; Possible?

2008-03-12 Thread David Woolley
David L. Mills wrote: > Maartin and others, > > The intended model for monitoring and control is clearly articulated in > the control and monitoring protocol defined in rfc 1305. This model I can't speak for Maartin, but I was talking about the operation of the protocol itself. The values in

Re: [ntp:questions] 1 Machine, 2 NICs, 2 Instances of ntpd; Possible?

2008-03-12 Thread David Woolley
Maarten Wiltink wrote: > > An SNTP or local clock server might have to make some of them up. > System peer? Root dispersion? A conforming SNTP server is required to have a locally attached reference clock. The only other situation in which SNTP is allowed is where only the client is SNTP, but

Re: [ntp:questions] Time reset

2008-03-12 Thread D.Venu Gopal
David Woolley wrote: > Venu Gopal wrote: > >> Its clear that CPU is heavily loaded which might be leading to loss of >> ticks. Yet to check the DMA status for > > CPU loading doesn't cause lost timer interrupts. (More precisely > overruns.) > So its the DISK I/O thats causing loss of ticks ?