Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q is slow compared to ntpdate

2008-10-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Svein Skogen) writes: Svein I've kept out of this topic on purpose, simply because I did not want Svein to add anything that people would take as a personal attack (and I Svein failed to see how I could vent my feelings without looking like I was

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q is slow compared to ntpdate

2008-10-21 Thread David J Taylor
Harlan Stenn wrote: [] Without my looking at the code or the RFC, I believe this means it will send a request to the listed host(s) and set the time to the first answer it receives, and then exit. If the time is stepped it will DTRT regarding writing appropriate accounting messages

Re: [ntp:questions] Question regarding broadcast client

2008-10-21 Thread David Woolley
John Zornig wrote: Enabled interface 7: fd=23, bfd=-1, name=eth1, flags=0x19, scope=0 sin=10.1.1.9 bcast=10.1.1.255, mask=255.255.255.0 It's failed to find the interface on which you are listening. Why so many? Is the target interface real? I seem to remember there

Re: [ntp:questions] Using parse driver rather then nmea driver?

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
I am actually using three seperate BU 303 GPS devices pointing in different directions. Beware of the leap-second bug. I don't have a BU 303, but all the other SiRF units I've tried are off by a second for some strange pattern. http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/ntp/leap-gps.gif That happens

Re: [ntp:questions] Question regarding broadcast client

2008-10-21 Thread David Woolley
John Zornig wrote: The client system is an uptodate Red Hat 5.2 system. The ntp.x86_64 version installed is 4.2.2p1-8.el5 ^ That's relatively old. libisc/ifiter_ioctl.c, the most likely source of the problem on Linux, was updated in December 2006, or later.

Re: [ntp:questions] Question regarding broadcast client

2008-10-21 Thread Ronan Flood
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:47:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Zornig) wrote: receive: at 35 10.10.1.9-10.10.9.1 flags 39 restrict 000 receive: at 35 10.10.1.9-10.10.9.1 mode 5 code 6 keyid 0002 len 48 mac 20 auth 2 Your server is adding an MD5 key to the time packet but the client isn't

Re: [ntp:questions] Question regarding broadcast client

2008-10-21 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2008-10-20, John Zornig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Full ntp.conf file Are you positive there are no other restrict lines? logconfig all restrict 10.10.9.1 restrict 127.0.0.1 These restrict lines drop all restrictions for the listed IP addresses. They are meaningless

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q is slow compared to ntpdate

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
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Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicola Berndt) writes: Unruh schrieb: I see, that's too bad then.. :( I am already using minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 OK, But that should have a convergence of minutes not hours. Mind you NTPs habit of throwing away 7 out of 8 queries of the clock does not help. (clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
We target for millisecond accuracy. As I understand, the oscillators on standard PCs are mostly cheapest crap and there are way better oscillators I could use to replace the original. Is that correct? There are two parts to that crap. One is that the actual frequency doesn't match the number

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q is slow compared to ntpdate

2008-10-21 Thread David J Taylor
Hal Murray wrote: DTRT = ? Do The Right Thing Thanks, Hal. I've not seen that one before! Cheers, David ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread David Woolley
Unruh wrote: The way better oscillators I think is primarily oscillators which are temp controlled (yes heaters) and selected/adjusted. Nowadays they are as likely to be TCXO's, temperature compensated crystal oscillators, in which the temperature is measured and used to drive a varicap

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:24:22 GMT, David McConnell wrote: The driftfile also sometimes seems to do more harm than good - especially after a reboot. Some kernels do a calibration of clock against RTC clock. This will make driftfile misleading. /hjj ___

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
The driftfile also sometimes seems to do more harm than good - especially after a reboot. Some kernels do a calibration of clock against RTC clock. This will make driftfile misleading. There is a bug in the Linux calibration routine for the TSC mode clock. It doesn't get a consistent answer.

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Murray) writes: The driftfile also sometimes seems to do more harm than good - especially after a reboot. Some kernels do a calibration of clock against RTC clock. This will make driftfile misleading. There is a bug in the Linux calibration routine for the TSC mode

[ntp:questions] Leap second quirk

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
Two of my systems injected leap seconds at the end of Aug and Sep. A couple of others didn't. I thought I saw some discussion of this, but I can't find it. Has anybody else seen this? Was I dreaming about seeing something here? Is the bug in the Linux kernel for not waiting until December, or

[ntp:questions] What's the current status of PPS support for Linux 2.6 Kernels?

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
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Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Nicola Berndt wrote: Unruh schrieb: I see, that's too bad then.. :( I am already using minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 OK, But that should have a convergence of minutes not hours. Mind you NTPs habit of throwing away 7 out of 8 queries of the clock does not help. (clock filter). Especially for a

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Unruh
Richard B. Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicola Berndt wrote: Unruh schrieb: I see, that's too bad then.. :( I am already using minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 OK, But that should have a convergence of minutes not hours. Mind you NTPs habit of throwing away 7 out of 8 queries of the clock does

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow convergence of NTP with GPS/PPS

2008-10-21 Thread Hal Murray
A termistor on the crystal on the other hand might be useful to compensate the temperature ( there is an alteration of ntp which also calculates the temp compensation of the crystal and uses that to calculate the required drift rate.-- unfortunately I do not remember its name of location on the