Re: [ntp:questions] Port forwarding NTP?

2008-11-01 Thread Hal Murray
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Ackermann N8UR) writes: >I am trying to configure my masquerading (NAT) firewall to allow the >outside world to see one of my internal servers. (The firewall is a >Linux system running fairly ancient "Linux Router Project" code). > >I've set

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Unruh
"David J Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Unruh wrote: >[] >> Nope, it is not my "ssytem" if by that you mean my computer. The >> convergence is a beautiful exponential convergence with a time scale >> of 1 >> hour almost exactly. That is not hardware. That is the software ntp >> protocol. >J

[ntp:questions] Port forwarding NTP?

2008-11-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I am trying to configure my masquerading (NAT) firewall to allow the outside world to see one of my internal servers. (The firewall is a Linux system running fairly ancient "Linux Router Project" code). I've set up what should be the correct rules to forward both port 123 UDP and port 123 TCP to

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Hal Murray
>Note, if you are running gps, why have a poll level 6? The recommendation >for ref- clocks is poll level 4? Where/who does that recommendation come from? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ questions mailing li

Re: [ntp:questions] Large and apparently permanent step in PPM error - confused?

2008-11-01 Thread Hal Murray
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cureton) writes: >Hi, >I am syncing a Linux 2.6.26 kernel to a Serial DCD PPS GPS source. >The kernel time has been running for quite some time with a ~160ppm >frequency error however inexplicably the ppm error over night simply >jump

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Hal Murray
>> Try switching it off, changing the value int he drift file by say >> 50PPM and >> then switching it on again, and see how long it takes to recover from >> that. >Why would I do that? The drift values rarely change by more than five, >certainly not by 50. If you are seeing a change of 50, the

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] > Nope, it is not my "ssytem" if by that you mean my computer. The > convergence is a beautiful exponential convergence with a time scale > of 1 > hour almost exactly. That is not hardware. That is the software ntp > protocol. Just along the lines that if my system converges in 10

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Unruh
"David J Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Unruh wrote: >[] >> An hour later, it was still 7ms off, another hour, 2.6ms and another >> hour >> later, still 1.2 ms off. Ie, only after about 6 hours was it within a >> ms of >> the correct time. Now, usually this PPS controls the time to within >>

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Unruh
Evandro Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Could it be a poor crystal being affected by the temperature change? >After all, even with a solid PPS, the system time is controlled by its >crystals. Nope. As I said it is a beautiful exponential convergence of the phase offset with a time scale of a

Re: [ntp:questions] Large and apparently permanent step in PPM error - confused?

2008-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor wrote: [] > Crystals can sometimes jump in frequency, although I'm surprised to > see a modern unit do so, and that is quite a large step. How old is > the system? > David Also - it could be that a capacitor in the oscillator circuit has either become open circuit, or has become d

Re: [ntp:questions] Large and apparently permanent step in PPM error - confused?

2008-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
David Cureton wrote: > Hi, >I am syncing a Linux 2.6.26 kernel to a Serial DCD PPS GPS source. > The kernel time has been running for quite some time with a ~160ppm > frequency error however inexplicably the ppm error over night simply > jumped to ~105ppm. The system has for the last couple o

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp clients out of sync with server

2008-11-01 Thread David Woolley
David Woolley wrote: > Peer dist[ance too high] is telling you the same thing. > As no-one has spoken in defence of orphan mode, I think your best course of action is to replace orphan mode with a high stratum local clock driver, on the root server of your time island.

[ntp:questions] Large and apparently permanent step in PPM error - confused?

2008-11-01 Thread David Cureton
Hi, I am syncing a Linux 2.6.26 kernel to a Serial DCD PPS GPS source. The kernel time has been running for quite some time with a ~160ppm frequency error however inexplicably the ppm error over night simply jumped to ~105ppm. The system has for the last couple of day tracked in a stable m

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread Evandro Menezes
Could it be a poor crystal being affected by the temperature change? After all, even with a solid PPS, the system time is controlled by its crystals. David showed data for his Sun system and even x86 systems by Sun have pretty good crystals. HTH ___ qu

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor wrote: [] > As a comparison, I have a very old Pentium 133 system here running > FreeBSD with local GPS PPS and some other Internet-based stratum 2/3 > servers (probably NTP pool and a fixed name). I'm sure it's well > within a few minutes for it to reach it's full accuracy (tens of

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] > An hour later, it was still 7ms off, another hour, 2.6ms and another > hour > later, still 1.2 ms off. Ie, only after about 6 hours was it within a > ms of > the correct time. Now, usually this PPS controls the time to within > about 2us (not ms, usec) but it is apparently going t