Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd and hw clock

2009-02-27 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-02-27, Nero Imhard wrote: > Unruh schreef: > >> Well, there is that silly 11min setting of the kernel, which tried to reset >> the rtc every 11 min if it decides that the kernel is synchronized. > > Silly indeed, but rather Linux-specific. No such kludge in FreeBSD afaik. Why do you consi

Re: [ntp:questions] improving ntpd performance on Windows

2009-02-27 Thread Martin Burnicki
Dave, Dave Hart wrote: > If you're using ntpd on Windows synchonizing to a stable local source > (whether refclock or simply ntpd on a heretofore more-stable platform > for timekeeping) I would appreciate your help testing my 20090226 test > version. The approach to interpolating time using a hig

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixed maxpoll values for mixed LAN/Internet servers - sensible?

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Hart
On Feb 26, 11:27 pm, "David J Taylor" wrote: > Well, by observation, /all/ the servers are polled at 64s intervals, and > not just the lan-gps-pps server. Since your clients are naturally preferring the stratum 1 on the same LAN, that server's poll interval is clamping your overall poll interval

Re: [ntp:questions] improving ntpd performance on Windows

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Hart
On Feb 27, 3:28 pm, Martin Burnicki wrote: > I've just installed your binary on one W2k and one Vista32 machine. I'll let > it run over the weekend and report. Great, thanks Martin. > I've also got an old machine with 10 ms clock interval. However, I have > installed NT4 on that one, and your bi

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixed maxpoll values for mixed LAN/Internet servers - sensible?

2009-02-27 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote: > On Feb 26, 11:27 pm, "David J Taylor" > wrote: >> Well, by observation, /all/ the servers are polled at 64s intervals, >> and not just the lan-gps-pps server. > > Since your clients are naturally preferring the stratum 1 on the same > LAN, that server's poll interval is clamping

Re: [ntp:questions] improving ntpd performance on Windows

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Hart
uot; regarding that marginally stable LAN source. Looking at a machine on a different network with a refclock, I noticed a +/- 100 usec sawtooth with a 4 hour period: http://davehart.net/ntp/refclock/20090227-refclock-dirty-sawtooth.jpg Cheers, Dave Hart __

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixed maxpoll values for mixed LAN/Internet servers - sensible?

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Hart
On Feb 27, 4:55 pm, "David J Taylor" wrote: > > if you set minpoll 4 on a reference clock (and > > no maxpoll) the similarly unselected internet servers are allowed to > > progress to higher poll intervals.  It may not be possible to achieve > > the same without a reference clock. > > Thats doesn'

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd and hw clock

2009-02-27 Thread Unruh
Steve Kostecke writes: >On 2009-02-27, Nero Imhard wrote: >> Unruh schreef: >> >>> Well, there is that silly 11min setting of the kernel, which tried to reset >>> the rtc every 11 min if it decides that the kernel is synchronized. >> >> Silly indeed, but rather Linux-specific. No such kludge in

Re: [ntp:questions] Is the use of the leap seconds mechanism mandatory?

2009-02-27 Thread Thomas Schulz
In article , Unruh wrote: >alain.barthol...@eads.com (Bartholome, Alain) writes: > >>Hi, > >>The primary reason why I need NTP is the synchronization of the systems, >>not the accuracy of time. > >>I need to simplify the maintenance of the systems as much as possible. > >>I would like to know if

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd and hw clock

2009-02-27 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-02-27, Unruh wrote: > Steve Kostecke writes: > >>On 2009-02-27, Nero Imhard wrote: >> >>> Silly indeed, but rather Linux-specific. No such kludge in FreeBSD >>> afaik. > >>Why do you consider a periodic update of the RTC to be a kludge? > > Because it does not allow one to determine the

Re: [ntp:questions] Is the use of the leap seconds mechanism mandatory?

2009-02-27 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-02-26, Bartholome, Alain wrote: > The primary reason why I need NTP is the synchronization of the systems, > not the accuracy of time. NTP is designed to synchronize computer clocks to a common time base. The most commonly used timebase is UTC acquired over a network or via a radio ref

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixed maxpoll values for mixed LAN/Internet servers - sensible?

2009-02-27 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote: [] >> Thats doesn't seem to happen with my FreeBSD system, if I am >> understanding you correctly. Admittedly I have ntpd 4.2.0-a, but all >> servers have a 64s polls even though there is no minpoll or maxpoll >> specified. > > I'm not sure how long ago the change happened, but it

Re: [ntp:questions] Is the use of the leap seconds mechanism mandatory?

2009-02-27 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-02-26, Bartholome, Alain wrote: > >> The primary reason why I need NTP is the synchronization of the systems, >> not the accuracy of time. > > NTP is designed to synchronize computer clocks to a common time base. > > The most commonly used timebase is UTC acquir

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd and hw clock

2009-02-27 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Unruh wrote: > > Because it does not allow one to determine the frequency offset of the rtc, > info which can be used to improve the starup accuracy of the system from > the rtc. This is supported by both chrony and by the new (non-utils) > hwclock. The 11 min mode completely destroys that. It wou

Re: [ntp:questions] Is the use of the leap seconds mechanism mandatory?

2009-02-27 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-02-27, H. Peter Anvin wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> On 2009-02-26, Bartholome, Alain wrote: >> >>> The primary reason why I need NTP is the synchronization of the >>> systems, not the accuracy of time. >> >> NTP is designed to synchronize computer clocks to a common time base. >> >

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd and hw clock

2009-02-27 Thread Unruh
Steve Kostecke writes: >On 2009-02-27, Unruh wrote: >> Steve Kostecke writes: >> >>>On 2009-02-27, Nero Imhard wrote: >>> Silly indeed, but rather Linux-specific. No such kludge in FreeBSD afaik. >> >>>Why do you consider a periodic update of the RTC to be a kludge? >> >> Because it

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixed maxpoll values for mixed LAN/Internet servers - sensible?

2009-02-27 Thread Dave Hart
On Feb 27, 5:38 pm, Dave Hart wrote: > When Dr. Mills first announced the change allowing the other peers' > intervals to go up with a refclock configuration, I believe he > observed a benefit from the mixed poll intervals, but he was thinking > at least two levels above my pay grade and the reaso