Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Towli wrote: > Hi > > I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a > public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our > domain time is not synchronised properly). > Is there a way to do this? > > Bst rgds from Denmark > /T I wrote a simple program to do

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Towli wrote: >> Thank you! >> It seems that ntpd is a Unix-thing though. Does something similar >> exist to xp? >> > > > Ntpd runs under Unix, Linux, OpenVMS, Windows/XP (and possibly other > versions (W/2K and V/Vista are the likeliest suspects)) and possibly > operati

Re: [ntp:questions] refclock on Windows graphs

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote: > In David J Taylor's specific case, on reflection, the CPU temp might > be a close enough proxy. David runs that machine with a near-constant > CPU load (around 20% I believe) so the CPU heat output should be > pretty steady and the major influence on core temp would presumably b

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Dave Hart
On Mar 19, 7:38 am, "David J Taylor" wrote: > Towli wrote: > > Hi > > > I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a > > public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our > > domain time is not synchronised properly). > > Is there a way to do this? > > > Bs

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Rob
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Towli wrote: >> Hi >> >> I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a >> public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our >> domain time is not synchronised properly). >> Is there a way to do this? >> >> Bst rgds from Denmar

Re: [ntp:questions] refclock on Windows graphs

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote: [] > I updated the satsignal.eu NTPplotter beta when I still could not find > _*.png files being saved by the Save button. There's a new knob to > control the period over which the jitter running average is > calculated, which most likely means the average jitter line isn't > dire

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Martin Burnicki
Towli wrote: > Hi > > I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a > public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our domain > time is not synchronised properly). > Is there a way to do this? Just for a quick test you can run ntpdate -qb server from a

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Rob wrote: [] > When somebody asks a question about a Windows system, where a native > NTP implementation is available that can be debugged with a simple > commandline program (w32tm), the response to any question invariably > is to "install ntpd". > > It may have some advantages, but is it really

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Dave Hart wrote: [] > Tiny Ben is a simple program. [1] NTPmonitor is a bit less simple. > Tiny Ben meets superscientist who's into shaving seconds and > cloning :) [] > [1] http://www.satsignal.eu/software/disk.html#TinyBen [] > Cheers, > Dave Hart Tiny Ben is a simple analog clock program. It

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Rob wrote: [] > What I want to state is: somebody has a Windows domain and is asking > how > he can check if its time is similar to some external ntp server. > Windows provides the w32tm command with the /monitor flag that > accomplishes exactly that. The user did not ask how he could get > better

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Rob
David J Taylor wrote: > Rob wrote: > [] >> What I want to state is: somebody has a Windows domain and is asking >> how >> he can check if its time is similar to some external ntp server. >> Windows provides the w32tm command with the /monitor flag that >> accomplishes exactly that. The user did n

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Uwe Klein
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Some Unix and Linux distributions include a version of NTPD but not > necessarily an up-to-date version. (active) Linux Distributions ( and the BSDs ?) come with adequately recent versions of ntpd ( even when LSB conventions masked this with the usage of "xntp*" for t

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Rob wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Towli wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a >>> public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our >>> domain time is not synchronised properly). >>> Is there a way to do this? >>> >>>

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Rob
David J Taylor wrote: > Rob wrote: > [] >> When somebody asks a question about a Windows system, where a native >> NTP implementation is available that can be debugged with a simple >> commandline program (w32tm), the response to any question invariably >> is to "install ntpd". >> >> It may have s

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Rob wrote: [] > I wanted to describe the general situation seen on this group, not > really the particular responses that you gave. There were several > replies that suggested to first install different software. Probably best to start a new topic, then. Cheers, David __

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Rob
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > W32TM is NOT the equivalent of ntpd! W32TM simply asks "what time is > it?" and unconditionally believes the answer it gets. It does use the > NTP protocol. You need to update your knowledge. Since Windows XP and 2003 this is no longer true. (and then I am not ev

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Unruh
"Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >Rob wrote: ... >> It almost seems like a religious group. Most people try to convert >> the world to Mills' NTPD, and then there is the dissident who tries >> to push Chrony in every thread. >> >I think I see people following you, carrying torches and fagots. >>

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-03-19, Rob wrote: > But [the Microsoft implementation of] NTP [for Windows] is perfectly > capable of doing [something]. > > I am not trying to convince people to use Windows or the w32time > service, but I disagree with the opinion that it does not work, uses > sntp only, or leads to tim

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Neal
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Rob wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Towli wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I would like to test my internal clock (from my domain pc) against a >>> public ntp server, to see if there is a discrepance (i suspect our >>> domain time is not synchronised properly). >>> Is there a wa

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: > > What I want to state is: somebody has a Windows domain and is asking how > he can check if its time is similar to some external ntp server. > Windows provides the w32tm command with the /monitor flag that accomplishes Does it? Maybe it does, but the Technet documentation is prett

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Support (Was 'What does "Max Distance Exceeded"...')

2009-03-19 Thread Rob Neal
And I have been remiss in not expressing my thanks to Dr. Mills for his efforts over the last several months. Dr. Mills, you did a *great* job of updating the dev tree. Many improvements, and you knocked one of my (simplistic) attacks on its head. Crypto- nak cleanup and all that. sigh. have to lo

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: > When somebody asks a question about a Windows system, where a native > NTP implementation is available that can be debugged with a simple > commandline program (w32tm), the response to any question invariably > is to "install ntpd". One key factor is that Microsoft never post to this

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Harlan Stenn
Richard, Please be more tolerant. Some of us *vastly* prefer top-posted articles. Let's just agree to disagree about this, and stop lobbying for our personal preferences. H -- >>> In article , "Richard B. >>> Gilbert" writes: Richard> Towli wrote: >> Wau - Thank you ! i bellieve thats exact

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Unruh
hun...@comcast.net (Rob Neal) writes: >> >> It almost seems like a religious group. Most people try to convert >> the world to Mills' NTPD, and then there is the dissident who tries >> to push Chrony in every thread. > Chrony has an impulse response that is ill-advised in > a network

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Harlan Stenn wrote: > Richard, > > Please be more tolerant. > > Some of us *vastly* prefer top-posted articles. > > Let's just agree to disagree about this, and stop lobbying for our personal > preferences. > > H > -- In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Richard> Towli wro

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread Unruh
"Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >Harlan Stenn wrote: >> Richard, >> >> Please be more tolerant. >> >> Some of us *vastly* prefer top-posted articles. >> >> Let's just agree to disagree about this, and stop lobbying for our personal >> preferences. >> >> H >> -- > In article , "Richard B. >>

[ntp:questions] Quoting Practices (Was: Re: Test internal clock)

2009-03-19 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-03-20, Unruh wrote: > And it makes even more sense to have it at the top so that I can see that > the response is totally off topic without having to scroll through the > whole rest of the ancient history of the post. A good writer, who is considerate of his readers, will take the time

Re: [ntp:questions] Test internal clock

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Rob Neal wrote: [various examples] Rob, You are finding that there are strong-minded individuals in this newsgroup, and that while some of their opinions are quite valid, others are out-of-date, and now incorrect. Dig deeper and you may discover the history of why they hold those views. I

Re: [ntp:questions] Quoting Practices (Was: Re: Test internal clock)

2009-03-19 Thread David J Taylor
Steve Kostecke wrote: [] > A good writer, who is considerate of his readers, will take the time > necessary to edit the quoted material in an article (as I have done in > this case) to focus on the salient material. > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Agreed. To me, it makes much