Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Unruh > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:16:23 GMT > Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org > > ober...@es.net (Kevin Oberman) writes: > > >> From: Harlan Stenn > >> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:48:35 + > >> Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org > >> > >> >>>

Re: [ntp:questions] Trading jitter for offset

2009-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] > Curnow had an intrest at one time in porting to windows, but his > interest > or time to keep up chrony is low now so it will have to be done by > others. OK, Bill, sorry to hear it may take some time. Cheers, David ___ questions ma

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Unruh
ober...@es.net (Kevin Oberman) writes: >> From: Harlan Stenn >> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:48:35 + >> Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org >> >> >>> In article , Bill Unruh >> >>> writes: >> >> > Harlan Stenn writes: >> >> From one POV, it seems to me that each "instance

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread David Mills
John, The intended design to detect and suppress bad reference/PPS clocks is at least two additional sources, that do not have to be reference clocks. If the reference/PPS clock sails to the sunset, the selection algorithm will vote it off and the PPS will follow. The server will continue at w

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Kevin Oberman said the following on 03/28/2009 06:53 PM: > Ideally, if the source of the time being trained by the PPS is bad, the > PPS also should be considered bad and kernel PPS should be disabled. This should only be the behaviour for a refclock that provides both a PPS and a timecode. If

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Harlan Stenn > Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:48:35 + > Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org > > >>> In article , Bill Unruh > >>> writes: > > > Harlan Stenn writes: > >> From one POV, it seems to me that each "instance" of a PPS source should > >> come with "health i

Re: [ntp:questions] Trading jitter for offset

2009-03-28 Thread Unruh
"David J Taylor" writes: >David Woolley wrote: >> David J Taylor wrote: >> >>> >>> Is there a parameter I can tune from the ntp.conf which would reduce >>> the offset, at the expense of increased jitter? Perhaps I'm asking >>> for the impossible? >>> >> >> Reducing minpoll will help, but you ar

[ntp:questions] Are there algorithm differences between 4.2.4 and 4.2.5?

2009-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
Are there any algorithm of other differences which might cause noticeable performance differences between 4.2.4 and 4.2.5? For example: - 4.2.5 being more reluctant to increasing the polling interval from 64s (with a mixture of local stratum-1 and Internet pool servers)? - 4.2.5 showing an inc

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <49ce0b3a.9030...@febo.com>, j...@febo.com (John Ackermann N8UR) >>> writes: > Harlan Stenn said the following on 03/28/2009 04:48 AM: >> In one case, there can be a GPS device that may deliver a PPS second but >> that PPS is not really sync'd. The GPS device in this case will usu

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Harlan Stenn said the following on 03/28/2009 04:48 AM: > Bill> Not sure what the health info would be. The health of PPS is either > Bill> great, (if the seconds is good) or attrocious (if the second is bad), > Bill> and the driver presumably does not know this or it would have > Bill> corrected

Re: [ntp:questions] Trading jitter for offset

2009-03-28 Thread David Woolley
David J Taylor wrote: > > Is there a parameter I can tune from the ntp.conf which would reduce the > offset, at the expense of increased jitter? Perhaps I'm asking for the > impossible? > Reducing minpoll will help, but you are basically observing an aspect of why Bill Unruh advocates chron

Re: [ntp:questions] Trading jitter for offset

2009-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: > >> >> Is there a parameter I can tune from the ntp.conf which would reduce >> the offset, at the expense of increased jitter? Perhaps I'm asking >> for the impossible? >> > > Reducing minpoll will help, but you are basically observing an aspect > of w

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Leap Second Trace program updated....

2009-03-28 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor wrote: > You can now call the program with a list of ntp nodes to check on the > command line: Further update, I've added a command-line only version for fully automated operation. http://www.satsignal.eu/software/net.htm#NTPLeapTrace On my own system, the following nodes are i

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article , Bill Unruh >>> writes: > Harlan Stenn writes: >> From one POV, it seems to me that each "instance" of a PPS source should >> come with "health information" about that PPS instance. This "health" >> information should include the current expected precision of the PPS >> signal.

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Bill Unruh
Harlan Stenn writes: In article <968zl.19988$ph1.19...@edtnps82>, Unruh writes: >Unruh> That may be the logic, but it is seriously flawed. It also indicates >Unruh> that the decision to interpret PPS separately from the other drivers >Unruh> is flawed. atom should ONLY be used for a