Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David J Taylor
sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com wrote: [] > Steve, > what do you exactly mean "ultra high quality time"? > > My ntp service is started running the command below: > "C:\ntp\bin\ntpd.exe" -U 3 -M -g -c "C:\ntp\etc\ntp.conf" > > Are you talking about the -M (Windows only - set high quality > multimedia ti

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 4:44 pm, mi...@udel.edu (David Mills) wrote: > Steve, > > You scratch a sore spot as I verified over the last couple of days. You > can always increase the mindist, but eventually the orphan servers will > drift away from each other. The problem is the orphan server has to be > selected b

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 7, 5:18 am, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-07, David Woolley wrote: > > > Steve Kostecke wrote: > > >> While ordinary NTP clients use a selection metric based on delay and > >> dispersion, orphan children use a metric computed from the IP address of > >> each core server. Each orphan c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 7:05 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com > wrote: > > [snip: a 27 line block of text] > > > Yes, that's what I'm experimenting now. > > What are you experimenting with? > > > I beleive the Orphan Broadcast Mesh will work when none of the > > systems c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 6:35 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-07, sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Apr 6, 12:32 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > > >> OrphanMode is intended to select _one_ leader from the group of > >> Orphans when all other time sources are unreachable. It does so based > >> on

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 4:44 pm, mi...@udel.edu (David Mills) wrote: > Steve, > > You scratch a sore spot as I verified over the last couple of days. You > can always increase the mindist, but eventually the orphan servers will > drift away from each other. The problem is the orphan server has to be > selected b

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 7:05 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com > wrote: > > [snip: a 27 line block of text] > > > Yes, that's what I'm experimenting now. > > What are you experimenting with? > > > I beleive the Orphan Broadcast Mesh will work when none of the > > systems c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 6:53 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, David Woolley wrote: > > > Steve Kostecke wrote: > > >> "Sync" is usually defined as "calculating the offset between a clock and > >> a reference standard, stepping or initiating a slew to correct the > > > I doubt that many would consider

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread sheikdawoodrajali
On Apr 6, 7:05 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com > wrote: > > [snip: a 27 line block of text] > > > Yes, that's what I'm experimenting now. > > What are you experimenting with? > > > I beleive the Orphan Broadcast Mesh will work when none of the > > systems c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-07, David Woolley wrote: > >> Steve Kostecke wrote: >> >>> It is imcumbent on the operator of an ntpd (or some "ntp client") to >>> use enough time sources so that an outlier that is off by 120ms will >>> be detected and voted out. >> Unruh actually meant 128 -

Re: [ntp:questions] Intended design: leap bits 00 during freq_mode?

2009-04-07 Thread David Mills
Dave, The leap bits are set the first time a valid update is received and the clock is set. If the NMEA driver provides thethat update, it will set the server leap bits. The leap value 11 is set only before first synchronized and never set back to that value after that. Whether or not in FREQ

[ntp:questions] Intended design: leap bits 00 during freq_mode?

2009-04-07 Thread Dave Hart
Someone has observed that they get different behavior on 4.2.5p161 regarding the leap bits during freq_mode depending on whether they configure a refclock (NMEA in this case) or not. With network upstream servers configured, they observe leap=00 shortly after starting, during the frequency drift c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Mills
Steve, I've tested the time island before and it works even for long periods, because once the children have all agreed on a single parent, they dutifully follow the parent no matter what it does. My latest test was different; it involved two distinct and separate orphan parents, each drifting

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread Martin Burnicki
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, David Woolley wrote: >> Steve Kostecke wrote: >> >>> "Sync" is usually defined as "calculating the offset between a clock and >>> a reference standard, stepping or initiating a slew to correct the >> >> I doubt that many would consider the initiation of a sle

[ntp:questions] using 'peer' together with 'server'

2009-04-07 Thread Folkert van Heusden
Hi, I have 4 servers that should be in sync for time with each other as well as much as the upstream ntp servers. Am I right that I can configure this like this or is it that if you configure peers the upstream servers are ignored? # peer a <- this system is a peer b peer c peer d server ntp.nmi

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-07, David Woolley wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> While ordinary NTP clients use a selection metric based on delay and >> dispersion, orphan children use a metric computed from the IP address of >> each core server. Each orphan child chooses the orphan parent as the >> root server w

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-07, David Woolley wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> It is imcumbent on the operator of an ntpd (or some "ntp client") to >> use enough time sources so that an outlier that is off by 120ms will >> be detected and voted out. > > Unruh actually meant 128 - epsilon milliseconds. The outl

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd service doesn't connect to remote servers on Windows XP

2009-04-07 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-07, David Woolley wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: > >> I know that. -o is specific to windows AFAIK. > > It's specific to some/all versions of NT. It does exist on Linux, but > seems to do something different. According to the netstat man page on one of my Debian systems: -o, --timers

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd service doesn't connect to remote servers on Windows XP

2009-04-07 Thread Danny Mayer
David J Taylor wrote: > David Woolley wrote: >> David J Taylor wrote: >> >>> netstat -ano works correctly on my Windows XP Pro SP3. >>> >> I ran strings on the Win 98 version to find the help message, so it >> looks like it has changed on XP, although ntpd wouldn't run on 98, >> anyway. > > Checke

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd service doesn't connect to remote servers on Windows XP

2009-04-07 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: > >> netstat -ano works correctly on my Windows XP Pro SP3. >> > > I ran strings on the Win 98 version to find the help message, so it > looks like it has changed on XP, although ntpd wouldn't run on 98, > anyway. Checked on my Windows 2000 system and t

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd service doesn't connect to remote servers on Windows XP

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Danny Mayer wrote: > > I know that. -o is specific to windows AFAIK. It's specific to some/all versions of NT. It does exist on Linux, but seems to do something different. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mail

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd service doesn't connect to remote servers on Windows XP

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
David J Taylor wrote: > netstat -ano works correctly on my Windows XP Pro SP3. > I ran strings on the Win 98 version to find the help message, so it looks like it has changed on XP, although ntpd wouldn't run on 98, anyway. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-06, sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > I've conducted extensive testing with Orphan Mode and never had to add > a tos mindist command. He has that because Dr Mills has just told him he needs it. > >> I beleive the "time island" concept will work fine

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
sheikdawoodraj...@gmail.com wrote: > > [Dawood] Does any ntp variable holds the value of "sync distance" ? > something like "rootdelay" and "rootdispersion" variables. It's a combination of various things, of which the most important are 0.5* rootdelay, 0.5*last hop delay, rootdispersion, local

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: > > Most users, though, consider their clocks to be "synced" when they see > the asterisk indicating that ntpd has selected a sys_peer. > That's because they are making the, unsafe, assumption that ntpd is using a reasonable definition of synched. Note that my definition

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: > It is imcumbent on the operator of an ntpd (or some "ntp client") to > use enough time sources so that an outlier that is off by 120ms will be > detected and voted out. Unruh actually meant 128 - epsilon milliseconds. The outlyer is the machine that is just starting! If

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP - orphan mode with SAME stratum ("tos orphan 6") FAIL to sync.

2009-04-07 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: > > While ordinary NTP clients use a selection metric based on delay and > dispersion, orphan children use a metric computed from the IP address of > each core server. Each orphan child chooses the orphan parent as the > root server with the smallest metric. From what Dr M