Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > Steve Kostecke wrote: >> The GPS-18 has been replaced by the GPS-18x. According to >> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=158&pID=27594 all >> 3 varients are still available. > > 4 variants? > > GPS 18x > Part Number: 010-0

[ntp:questions] How bad is USB? (was: Re: Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.)

2009-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
Garrett Wollman wrote: > In article , > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> USB is nearly useless for NTP! USB has latencies sufficiently large >> and variable to render it unsuitable for use with NTP. [] Garrett, Richard, You've both commented that USB has drawbacks, but in reality what performanc

Re: [ntp:questions] Gretchen - in regard to CertifiedTime it never died...

2009-04-30 Thread Gretchen Baxter
good news for people who like good news. so when can we expect actual solutions from certichron? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI < tglas...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Gretchen Baxter wrote: > >> thanx! >> >> in that case, this is good news for everyone in the timing communi

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: >> Unruh wrote: >>> ... RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. >> Where are you proposing he plug the RS232 lead in? Buy a PCI/serial card? > > Perhaps he meant a USB serial port? > USB is nearly useless for NT

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Garrett Wollman
In article , Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >USB is nearly useless for NTP! USB has latencies sufficiently large >and variable to render it unsuitable for use with NTP. It doesn't have to be; USB supports isochronous transfers. Unfortunately for NTP's needs, USB-to-serial adapters use "interrupt" t

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Steve Kostecke wrote: > The GPS-18 has been replaced by the GPS-18x. According to > https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=158&pID=27594 all > 3 varients are still available. 4 variants? GPS 18x Part Number: 010-00321-31 (USB) Part Number: 010-00321-34 (PC) Part Number: 010-00321-36 (LVC) Part

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-30, Nathaniel Homier wrote: > Whoops, the PC version does not provide a pps signal and to make matters > worse the lvc version has been discontinued. Provantage looks like they > might still have stock. The GPS-18 has been replaced by the GPS-18x. According to https://buy.garmin.co

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Homier
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:24:12 +, Unruh wrote: > If you have $200, why not get a GPS 18LVC for about $70 and pay your > local radio hobbyist to install an RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. That > way you wil get microsecond rather than millisecond accuracy. Looks like the GPS 18LVC is now availa

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Homier
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:59:48 -0500, Nathaniel Homier wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:24:12 +, Unruh wrote: > >> If you have $200, why not get a GPS 18LVC for about $70 and pay your >> local radio hobbyist to install an RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. >> That way you wil get microsecond rathe

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Nathaniel Homier
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:06:41 +, Steve Kostecke wrote: > Yes, if your audio system works with the NTP Audio decoder drivers. > > For WWV/H see: > http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.4/drivers/driver36.html or > http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/ntp_spool/html/drivers/driver36.html > Sounds like WWV ... the Ty

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: >> Unruh wrote: >>> ... RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. >> >> Where are you proposing he plug the RS232 lead in? Buy a PCI/serial >> card? > > Perhaps he meant a USB serial port? Yes, that's a possibility.

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
David J Taylor wrote: > Unruh wrote: >> ... RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. > > Where are you proposing he plug the RS232 lead in? Buy a PCI/serial card? Perhaps he meant a USB serial port? -- E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists.

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2009-04-30, Nathaniel Homier wrote: > >> I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old >> portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line >> audio input. This would be motherboard audio. > > Yes, if your audio system works with th

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David J Taylor wrote: > Unruh wrote: >> Nathaniel Homier writes: >> >>> Hello. >> >>> I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old >>> portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line >>> audio input. This would be motherboard audio. The primary reason >>>

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-30, Nathaniel Homier wrote: > I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old > portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line > audio input. This would be motherboard audio. Yes, if your audio system works with the NTP Audio decoder drivers. For

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-04-30, Unruh wrote: > Nathaniel Homier writes: > >>My computer is the new pci express and I have no serial port. > > If you have $200, why not get a GPS 18LVC for about $70 and pay your > local radio hobbyist to install an RS232 plug and a USB poser plug. > That way you wil get microseco

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Sam Nelson
In article , koste...@ntp.org says... > > On 2009-04-30, Unruh wrote: > > > Nathaniel Homier writes: > > > >>My computer is the new pci express and I have no serial port. > > > > If you have $200, why not get a GPS 18LVC for about $70 and pay your > > local radio hobbyist to install an RS232 p

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Unruh > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:24:12 GMT > Sender: questions-bounces+oberman=es@lists.ntp.org > > Nathaniel Homier writes: > > >Hello. > > >I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old > >portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line au

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: > Nathaniel Homier writes: > >> Hello. > >> I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old >> portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line >> audio input. This would be motherboard audio. The primary reason >> is that I get the impression tha

Re: [ntp:questions] Can the line audio out of HF radio be used to sync ntp. Trying to get a cheap ($) radio method.

2009-04-30 Thread Unruh
Nathaniel Homier writes: >Hello. >I would like to know if one can use the line audio out of any old >portable shortwave radio tuned to a time signal and fed via a line audio >input. This would be motherboard audio. The primary reason is that I >get the impression that ntp radio clocks are f

Re: [ntp:questions] Max time adjustment

2009-04-30 Thread Ulrich Windl
thegabe...@gmail.com (Gabrie) writes: > Hi > > Our Active Directory admin wants to start syncing time with our ESX hosts. > But he has one requirement, he wants me to limit the clock adjustment to max > 1 hour. So if our ESX host has an incorrect time compared to the ntp server, > the ESX host sho

Re: [ntp:questions] latencies if going through Linux parallel or serial port drivers?

2009-04-30 Thread Ulrich Windl
Unruh writes: > I am wondering if anyone has investigated what kind and magnitude of > latencies one gets by going through the parallel and serial port drivers on > Linux? I have a module, gps, which attaches to the parallel port interrupts > to deliver time to one of my systems. I seem to be get

Re: [ntp:questions] Gretchen - in regard to CertifiedTime it never died...

2009-04-30 Thread Gretchen Baxter
thanx! in that case, this is good news for everyone in the timing community. On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Todd Glassey CISM CIFI < tglas...@earthlink.net> wrote: > So Gretchen - you asked about CTI (CertifiedTime and noticed it went out > of business). CertifiedTime was no different than a