Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Lord
Unruh wrote: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: Unruh wrote in message news:iebhm.50125$db2.41...@edtnps83... [] MSF? See: http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technology/time-frequency/time/products-and-services/msf-radio-time-signal UK

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Lord
Maarten Wiltink wrote: Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:iebhm.50125$db2.41...@edtnps83... [...] The problem is that I have no idea what the accuracy of any of those items is. YOur ISP's timesever may be a stratum 7 getting time from a bunch of bozos. Or itmay be stratum

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread RedGrittyBrick
Unruh wrote: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: At source, it's recently been within about 10 microseconds: Sorry, at 10usec, the distance away of the transmitter must be less than 3 km. At *source*, the distance to the transmitter must

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Malone
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this.co.uk.invalid writes: Thanks, David, David and Jan. A few milliseconds is what I had expected, so if you are on a consumer line, what implications does that have for unruh's comment? I've been plotting the offset reported by ntpq

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread RedGrittyBrick
Unruh wrote: John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: Bill Unruh writes: Sorry, at 10usec, the distance away of the transmitter must be less than 3 km. 10usec at the transmitter. Also your system needs to see the start of the tone to 10usec which means that the tone would have to be

Re: [ntp:questions] Frequently asked question about error bounds?

2009-11-02 Thread berra.84
Thanks for your answers. Yes the RFC-1305 is obselete, but they are using it for the servers where I work right now. The problem just now is to figure out why a SNTP(RFC2030)-client aren't able to synchronize to a NTP-server with RFC-1305. I agree with you that the second alternative must be a

Re: [ntp:questions] Manycast

2009-11-02 Thread Evandro Menezes
Sorry, there's a change in the server configuration that i omitted before. So, I'm trying to figure out how to get manycast working, so I set up 3 computers to be clients: disable auth enable bclient tos orphan 8 manycastclient 224.0.1.1 manycastserver 224.0.1.1 And one computer to be a server:

[ntp:questions] Manycast

2009-11-02 Thread Evandro Menezes
I'm trying to figure out how to get manycast working, so I set up 3 computers to be clients: disable auth enable bclient tos orphan 8 manycastclient 224.0.1.1 manycastserver 224.0.1.1 And one computer to be a server: disable auth manycastclient 224.0.1.1 manycastserver 224.0.1.1 server

Re: [ntp:questions] Manycast

2009-11-02 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 11/02/09 07:47, Evandro Menezes wrote: Sorry, there's a change in the server configuration that i omitted before. So, I'm trying to figure out how to get manycast working, so I set up 3 computers to be clients: disable auth enable bclient tos orphan 8 manycastclient 224.0.1.1

Re: [ntp:questions] Manycast

2009-11-02 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-11-02, Evandro Menezes evan...@mailinator.com wrote: So, I'm trying to figure out how to get manycast working, so I set up 3 computers to be clients: I suggest that you start with the server and _one_ client. Once you have that working then you can implement your manycast-orphan cloud.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Woolley
David Malone wrote: The Rugby unit was built by Ian Dowse, and is described here: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwmalone/time/rugby.html This is a simple AM detector for the slow code (I don't know if the fast code is still transmitted). It doesn't phase lock onto the carrier.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Lord
David Woolley wrote: David Malone wrote: The Rugby unit was built by Ian Dowse, and is described here: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwmalone/time/rugby.html This is a simple AM detector for the slow code (I don't know if the fast code is still transmitted). It doesn't phase lock onto

Re: [ntp:questions] Manycast

2009-11-02 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-11-02, Evandro Menezes evan...@mailinator.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2:51 pm, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: And, before you start, comment out your restrict lines. I will, but here's what I have: restrict localhost restrict default kod limited nomodify Those look fine. --

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote in message news:hcnjt3$bq...@news.eternal-september.org... [] This is a simple AM detector for the slow code (I don't know if the fast code is still transmitted). It doesn't phase lock onto the carrier. The fast code stopped many years ago. October 1998 according to:

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread John Hasler
Bill Unruh writes: The bandwidth of whatever marks it has to be pretty narrow, or the transmitter would interfer with everything around it. Ie, that means a large time uncertainty. The 60KHz WWVB signal is synchronously amplitude-modulated at a 1Hz rate. The exact cycle on which the amplitude

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread Unruh
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: Bill Unruh writes: The bandwidth of whatever marks it has to be pretty narrow, or the transmitter would interfer with everything around it. Ie, that means a large time uncertainty. The 60KHz WWVB signal is synchronously amplitude-modulated at a 1Hz

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread John Hasler
Bill Unruh writes: This is of course all made totally redundant by the GPS time delivery-- even makes up for the transmission delay. It begins to look like like Morse code in the days of cell phones. Quaint, but not really useful. One could say the same about NTP. -- John Hasler

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David Lord
Unruh wrote: John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: The 60KHz WWVB signal is synchronously amplitude-modulated at a 1Hz rate. The exact cycle on which the amplitude changes can be locked in by a digital phase-locked loop. A VCXO can be phase-locked to the carrier to within a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP absolute accuracy?

2009-11-02 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote in message news:fgmhm.50325$db2.6...@edtnps83... [] This is of course all made totally redundant by the GPS time delivery-- even makes up for the transmission delay. It begins to look like like Morse code in the days of cell phones. Quaint, but not really