Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-14, Ralph wrote: > Maybe what I'm misunderstanding is the 'how' of that measurement? And I > correct > that the assumption in all this is that the system clock ticks are > consistent? > And that is the root of the problem in getting things to work properly on a > VM? > > In readin

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Uwe Klein
unruh wrote: On 2011-03-14, Ralph wrote: Nope. The HW clock is a clock which is completely separate from the operating system. So maybe if we could have a mode where ntpd uses the hardware clock to measure the round trip and instead of the system clock? Or just uses the hardare clock Imp

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Rob
unruh wrote: > The problem is not the round trip measurement ( although that can be a > minor problem). The problem is that the rate of the vm clock is not > consistant, and thus ntp, which adjusts the clock by adjusting the rate > ( and strongly assumes that that rate changes slowly if it changes

Re: [ntp:questions] Sure Electronics GPS board: Amazing performance. :-)

2011-03-14 Thread Terje Mathisen
Terje Mathisen wrote: b) Since both the PPS and NMEA drivers have fudge flags to use a falling instead of the default rising edge of the DCD signal, I can use the first version of David's hack, i.e. from the official PPS header via the free RS232 level driver (U6 - pin 11->14). This should avoid

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Terje Mathisen
Rob wrote: unruh wrote: The problem is not the round trip measurement ( although that can be a minor problem). The problem is that the rate of the vm clock is not consistant, and thus ntp, which adjusts the clock by adjusting the rate ( and strongly assumes that that rate changes slowly if it c

Re: [ntp:questions] Large offset and lots of time resets

2011-03-14 Thread Maarten Deen
Maarten Deen wrote in news:Xns9E95E2074B3415r68mtnbtdvsdr@194.109.133.242: > hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote in > news:k4odnvhgatyt6_jqnz2dnuvz_jydn...@megapath.net: > >> In article , >> Maarten Deen writes: >> ... >>>23 Feb 20:42:53 ntpd[27664]: time reset +2.4

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Ralph
On Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:41:59 PM UTC-7, unruh wrote: > > Sure. Teh Hw clock ( rtc) is on its own timer which does not depend on > any of the system timers. However it typically has a rate that is many > PPM out and that rate cannot be adjusted. This makes it completely > unsuitable for the cl

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Terje Mathisen wrote: > It is in fact so wrong that a recent VMware report quoted here stated that > with current VMware products you would get _better_ time sync on a client OS > by running ntpd on the client, than by running ntpd on the host and using > VMware's op

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread unruh
On 2011-03-14, Ralph wrote: > On Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:41:59 PM UTC-7, unruh wrote: >> >> Sure. Teh Hw clock ( rtc) is on its own timer which does not depend on >> any of the system timers. However it typically has a rate that is many >> PPM out and that rate cannot be adjusted. This makes it

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:47 PM, John Hasler wrote: > The hardware doesn't go away when you add another layer or two of > complexity by adding VMWare. > > What's baffling, though, is why you need to add an entire virtual > machine and operating system just to run another process. If only it were

Re: [ntp:questions] Flash 400 on all peers; can't get ntpd to be happy

2011-03-14 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Chris Albertson wrote: > Use either "ntpdate" or "ntpd -q". > They both work the same way. They go to an NTP server > and then jump the local system time to match the server. > Run this every hour as a cron job. I think he will likely need to use ntpd -g -q and much more often than once a hou