Re: [ntp:questions] Problem about the use of broadcast.

2011-04-20 Thread David Woolley
Yann I. wrote: I have several questions about the configuration of NTP. First, here is my configuration : Duplicate thread. Please see answers to original thread. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

[ntp:questions] ntpd: more than 60 s behind

2011-04-20 Thread asklucas
Hello all! I installed Meinberg's build of ntpd for Windows: ntpd 4.2.4p8@lennon-o Dec 09 10:46:55 (UTC+01:00) 2009 (3) While it initially synchronized successfully, it didn't work for two days. Now I'm more than 60 seconds behind. Connection to the closest remote NTP server works fine, see

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: more than 60 s behind

2011-04-20 Thread David Woolley
asklucas wrote: 217.19.37.26.ATOM. 1 u 781 1024 377 21.873 56147.1 3375.72 ptbtime1.ptb.de .PTB.1 u 747 1024 377 43.859 52929.2 3343.98 217.19.37.27.ATOM. 1 u 764 1024 377 21.023 52838.6 3394.36 ptbtime2.ptb.de .PTB.1 u

[ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread DaveB
Hi All. Due to my wandering use of a laptop for, work (cough!) Often away from the office, and our server, but with local internet access (Hotel WiFi etc). What UK based RELIABLE (cant emphasize that enough) UK time server(s) would the group recomend I point Windows time sync' to? At the

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread Rob
DaveB g8...@uko2.co.uk wrote: but as above, sometimes the pool server that responds seems to do something odd, and kill (or seriously destabilize) W32Time as a result. At least, looking in the system error and info logs, after recovering from a lockup, it's related to W32Time going bad, not

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
Hi All. [] At least, looking in the system error and info logs, after recovering from a lockup, it's related to W32Time going bad, not long after first boot of the day. [] Idea's brickbats etc welcome... Regards. DaveB. Dave, Forget W32Time and use NTP exclusively. I have it on the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread David Lord
unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared chrony with ntpd there was no contest but more recent experiments with chrony had periods of severe instability much worse than

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
Omit the region codes (uk, nl etc). They are no longer required and when you are mobile you should not have them. The pool.ntp.org dns determines where you send your request from and returns servers that are local to you. Thanks for the suggestion, Rob. Implemented. Cheers, David

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread Rob
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Hi All. [] At least, looking in the system error and info logs, after recovering from a lockup, it's related to W32Time going bad, not long after first boot of the day. [] Idea's brickbats etc welcome... Regards. DaveB. Dave,

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: more than 60 s behind

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-20, asklucas asklu...@gmx.net wrote: Hello all! I installed Meinberg's build of ntpd for Windows: ntpd 4.2.4p8@lennon-o Dec 09 10:46:55 (UTC+01:00) 2009 (3) While it initially synchronized successfully, it didn't work for two days. Now I'm more than 60 seconds behind.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared chrony with ntpd there was no contest but more recent experiments with chrony

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-20, DaveB g8...@uko2.co.uk wrote: Hi All. Due to my wandering use of a laptop for, work (cough!) Often away from the office, and our server, but with local internet access (Hotel WiFi etc). What UK based RELIABLE (cant emphasize that enough) UK time server(s) would the

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
David J Taylor wrote: Omit the region codes (uk, nl etc). They are no longer required and when you are mobile you should not have them. The pool.ntp.org dns determines where you send your request from and returns servers that are local to you. Thanks for the suggestion, Rob. Implemented.

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: more than 60 s behind

2011-04-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
unruh wrote: asklucas asklu...@gmx.net wrote: # Use specific NTP servers server bevtime1.metrologie.at iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server ptbtime1.ptb.de iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server bevtime2.metrologie.at iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server ptbtime2.ptb.de iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd: more than 60 s behind

2011-04-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
BlackList wrote: unruh wrote: asklucas asklu...@gmx.net wrote: # Use specific NTP servers server bevtime1.metrologie.at iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server ptbtime1.ptb.de iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server bevtime2.metrologie.at iburst minpoll 8 maxpoll 10 server ptbtime2.ptb.de iburst

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 4/20/2011 3:42 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, David Lorddl...@lordynet.org said: There are designs for temperature control of the motherboard xtal and alternative of using an external 14.31818 MHz clock source. Some of my motherboards even have an external source connector. I

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, David Lord dl...@lordynet.org said: There are designs for temperature control of the motherboard xtal and alternative of using an external 14.31818 MHz clock source. Some of my motherboards even have an external source connector. I have one server (really an old desktop

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread David Lord
unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared chrony with ntpd there was no contest but more recent experiments

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared chrony with

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread David Woolley
C BlacK wrote: If the timing on client machines needs to be tight, should the ntp server be an x86 machine with a less than accurate clock or a ntp server with a very accurate clock. I want the clients to track closely to server. The clients will almost certainly be the weak link. Also, if

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread David Lord
David Lord wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared chrony with ntpd there was no contest but more

[ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread C BlacK
If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. If the timing on client machines needs to be tight, should the ntp server be an x86 machine with a less than accurate clock or a ntp server with a very accurate clock. I want the clients to track closely to server.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPD can take 10 hours to achieve stability

2011-04-20 Thread David Lord
unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: unruh wrote: On 2011-04-19, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: . When I first compared

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-20, C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. If the timing on client machines needs to be tight, should the ntp server be an x86 machine with a less than accurate clock or a ntp server with a very accurate clock. ?

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, C BlacK rb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. Then you almost certainly want two NTP servers. Ho9w else to do scheduled maintenance, handle unscheduled down times or even know that your NTP server is

[ntp:questions] Using two NTP Server: Bad?

2011-04-20 Thread Ben Rockwood
I've read in the past that clients should always have an odd-number of NTP servers; 1 server or 3 servers but not 2. If I recall the reason was that clients could become confused and needs a tie breaker. Question 1: I want to challenge this old assumption. Is there truth to it? In many

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 4/20/2011 5:07 PM, C BlacK wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. If the timing on client machines needs to be tight, should the ntp server be an x86 machine with a less than accurate clock or a ntp server with a very accurate clock. I want the

[ntp:questions] A. G. Lisi's E8 model may be showing us what both our space time really are.

2011-04-20 Thread fitz
A. G. Lisi's E8 model may be showing us what both our space time really are. (Click link below.) http://www.amperefitz.com/e8.htm Crystals and chemical compounds are tied up with group theory which best explains (mathematically) exactly why they form the particular way they do. Lisi's E8

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 4/20/2011 5:49 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, C BlacKrb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. If the timing on client machines needs to be tight, should the ntp server be an x86 machine with a less than accurate clock or a ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] Using two NTP Server: Bad?

2011-04-20 Thread Chris Albertson
It's a matter of opinion now, I think if the servers are under your control and supervision two is enough to provide pretty good availability and three might not have as much bang per buck. But if you don't control the servers then you don't know if any of them are correct so I'd want enough so

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 4/20/2011 7:43 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, C BlacKrb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. Then you almost certainly want two NTP servers. Ho9w else to do scheduled maintenance, handle unscheduled

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 4/20/2011 8:51 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-04-21, Richard B. Gilbertrgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/20/2011 5:49 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, C BlacKrb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot machines, I have some questions. If the timing on client machines

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Mike S
At 08:51 PM 4/20/2011, unruh wrote... More like 10-100us. Not on anything with more than a single hop across 1000base?, especially when you consider irq/processing jitter at both ends. If an NTP UDP packet is behind a single max length Ethernet frame on 1G, it's delayed 12 us. Go across a

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-21, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/20/2011 8:51 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-04-21, Richard B. Gilbertrgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/20/2011 5:49 PM, unruh wrote: On 2011-04-20, C BlacKrb...@non.net wrote: If I am setting up an ntp server for a lot

Re: [ntp:questions] Using two NTP Server: Bad?

2011-04-20 Thread unruh
On 2011-04-21, Ben Rockwood b...@cuddletech.com wrote: I've read in the past that clients should always have an odd-number of NTP servers; 1 server or 3 servers but not 2. If I recall the reason was that clients could become confused and needs a tie breaker. Question 1: I want to challenge

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server specs

2011-04-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 4/20/2011 7:43 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: Two NTP servers does not constitute a solution to the problem.  If the two servers disagree, which one do you believe? I'll argue that in the general case, you are

Re: [ntp:questions] Windows time question.

2011-04-20 Thread David J Taylor
The more recent versions only _need_ one pool line, and it will keep pulling up more servers as needed. -- E-Mail Sent to this address blackl...@anitech-systems.com will be added to the BlackLists. Thanks for that reminder. I'm running ntpd 4.2.4p6 on that particular PC. Does that support

Re: [ntp:questions] Using two NTP Server: Bad?

2011-04-20 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ben Rockwood wrote: I've read in the past that clients should always have an odd-number of NTP servers; (Shrug) I don't think any ODD quantity matters much; However more (within reason), and diverse (although perhaps not far away), have value. e.g. tos minsane 4 minclock 6 cohort 1