Re: [ntp:questions] how long does it take ntpd to sync up

2011-08-28 Thread David Woolley
Harlan Stenn wrote: ntp *does* a fit/figure of the expected needed adjustment - your sentence implies that it does not (at least that's how it reads to me). No it doesn't. It is basically a feedback controller. If you take a modern central heating controller, which varies the output by var

Re: [ntp:questions] how long does it take ntpd to sync up

2011-08-28 Thread David Woolley
unruh wrote: His hypothesis is that you can only measure the time offset to within a second. No idea why. It is not a hypothesis. It a human scale example, representative of simple use of digital watch (without interpolation etc.). ___ questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread Brian Utterback
On 08/28/11 01:47, David J Taylor wrote: > That's the FCC in the US, Bill, not the UK. Allowing a high-power > signal on an adjacent frequency to GPS may well block GPS if it is > allowed to go ahead. The UK GPS events are one-off military tests, like > every country likely carries out. > > An e

Re: [ntp:questions] how long does it take ntpd to sync up

2011-08-28 Thread Brian Utterback
On 08/28/11 06:53, David Woolley wrote: > Harlan Stenn wrote: > >> >> ntp *does* a fit/figure of the expected needed adjustment - your >> sentence implies that it does not (at least that's how it reads to me). > > No it doesn't. It is basically a feedback controller. > > If you take a modern ce

Re: [ntp:questions] how long does it take ntpd to sync up

2011-08-28 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2011-08-27, Harlan Stenn wrote: > It depends on your definition of "truly sync up". > > With a "good" drift file and good servers where you use iburst, it takes > about 11 seconds for ntpd to sync up and track the time. That 11 second figure was for a warm restart of ntpd on a running (and st

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread David J Taylor
"Brian Utterback" wrote in message news:4e5a2a83.6030...@oracle.com... [] According to the FCC info, the problem is due to old GPS units not sufficiently filtering out the adjacent bands that were previously empty. Since the bands are currently empty, I am not so sure that it is only older unit

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread John Hasler
David writes: > Putting anything powerful and widespread next to a weak-signal > satellite band in use by consumer appliances is just plain crazy > planning, in fact it's a complete lack of planning! Shipping products lacking adequate filtering for adjacent band interference just because those ban

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread David Woolley
John Hasler wrote: Shipping products lacking adequate filtering for adjacent band interference just because those bands are not presently in use is just plain bad engineering. The new adjacent channel signal could be arbitrarily strong. You have to make some assumptions, __

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread Brian Utterback
On 08/28/11 11:23, David J Taylor wrote: > "Brian Utterback" wrote in message > news:4e5a2a83.6030...@oracle.com... > [] >> According to the FCC info, the problem is due to old GPS units not >> sufficiently filtering out the adjacent bands that were previously >> empty. Since the bands are current

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread unruh
On 2011-08-28, John Hasler wrote: > David writes: >> Putting anything powerful and widespread next to a weak-signal >> satellite band in use by consumer appliances is just plain crazy >> planning, in fact it's a complete lack of planning! > > Shipping products lacking adequate filtering for adjace

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > Shipping products lacking adequate filtering for adjacent band > interference just because those bands are not presently in use is just > plain bad engineering. David writes: > The new adjacent channel signal could be arbitrarily strong. You have > to make some assumptions, The consum

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread David J Taylor
"Brian Utterback" wrote in message news:4e5aa449.3090...@oracle.com... [] There are two sides with different figures. The GPS industry says that 500,000,000 units would be affected. The company LightSquared says it is really 200,000. The DOD standards for GPS receivers issued in 2008 says that

Re: [ntp:questions] Questions about joining pool.ntp.org

2011-08-28 Thread David J Taylor
"John Hasler" wrote in message news:87pqjpzei4@thumper.dhh.gt.org... David writes: Putting anything powerful and widespread next to a weak-signal satellite band in use by consumer appliances is just plain crazy planning, in fact it's a complete lack of planning! Shipping products lacking

Re: [ntp:questions] how long does it take ntpd to sync up

2011-08-28 Thread David L. Mills
Brian, See the release notes for the latest distribution in the online documentation. There has been a bit of facebook engineering in this discussion. For the real story, see the How NTP Works pages in the latest online documentation. Dave Brian Utterback wrote: On 08/28/11 06:53, David