Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Taylor
On 31/10/2012 21:04, unruh wrote: On 2012-10-31, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] NTPD is a "slow starter"! Ideally, you will only start it once and let it run for a few months. How slow is a "slow start"?. It can take NTPD up to ten hours to synchronize within + or - 50 nanoseconds with whatev

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Woolley
David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. 3 microseconds of what? How are you measuring the difference between s

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Lord
David Taylor wrote: On 31/10/2012 21:04, unruh wrote: On 2012-10-31, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [] NTPD is a "slow starter"! Ideally, you will only start it once and let it run for a few months. How slow is a "slow start"?. It can take NTPD up to ten hours to synchronize within + or - 50 na

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/11/2012 08:40, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. 3 microseconds of what? How ar

[ntp:questions] Intel i210 and timed transmission (802.1Qav)

2012-11-01 Thread Jonatan Walck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm researching how to increase the precision one can achieve by using our NTP-servers, and bumped into this chip (Intel i210) today. It seem that 802.1Qav support adds "LaunchTime", to tell the transmit buffer when a packet is supposed to go out on th

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Woolley
David Taylor wrote: On 01/11/2012 08:40, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. 3 microsec

[ntp:questions] Getting precise variables?

2012-11-01 Thread Mike S
Is there any way to poll ntp for full precision variables? If you do an ntpq query for offset, you get 1 us precision: locke:~# ntpq -c "rv 0 offset" locke offset=-0.001 But loopstats records offset with 1 ns precision: locke:~# tail -n 1 /var/log/ntpstats/loopstats.2012

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Woolley wrote: > David Taylor wrote: > >> >> On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to >> get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 >> microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. > > 3 microseconds of wh

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Woolley wrote: > David Taylor wrote: >> On 01/11/2012 08:40, David Woolley wrote: >>> David Taylor wrote: >>> On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseco

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Woolley
unruh wrote: On 2012-11-01, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. 3 microseconds of what?

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Woolley
unruh wrote: Interrupt latencies in my measurements tended to be at the one or 2 microsecond level. (drive a pin on the parallel port up, measuring when The Raspberry Pi is basically a headless PDA, using smart phone type processors. It is optimised for power consumption, not speed. _

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Lord wrote: > David Taylor wrote: >> On 31/10/2012 21:04, unruh wrote: >>> On 2012-10-31, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> [] NTPD is a "slow starter"! Ideally, you will only start it once and let it run for a few months. How slow is a "slow start"?. It can

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting precise variables?

2012-11-01 Thread David Taylor
1 /var/log/ntpstats/loopstats.20121101 56232 50257.989 -0.01426 0.039 0.0 0.000774 4 Yes, I agree with that request, and the kind folks Markus Schöpflin, Harlan Stenn, Martin Burnicki, and Dave Hart responded to the bug I reported: http://bugs.ntp.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2164 You may like

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/11/2012 09:27, David Lord wrote: [] I lost 7 x pcs Jun-Sept this year after local mains substation transformer self destructed so my system with GPS is down. [] David Very sorry to hear about that David, a true pain! Perhaps a chance to replace with some lower-power kit, though? -- C

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/11/2012 13:36, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: [] That's the offset as stated by NTP. That's not the time error. Under ideal circumstances, it is several times higher than the actual error, but with a low value like that, it could easily be orders of magnitude worse (e.g. if t

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Woolley wrote: > unruh wrote: >> On 2012-11-01, David Woolley wrote: >>> David Taylor wrote: >>> On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimatel

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread David Lord
David Taylor wrote: On 01/11/2012 09:27, David Lord wrote: [] I lost 7 x pcs Jun-Sept this year after local mains substation transformer self destructed so my system with GPS is down. [] David Very sorry to hear about that David, a true pain! Perhaps a chance to replace with some lower-pow

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step inGPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread Kennedy, Paul
That is one description. Another would be it is a fully functional linux computer with LAN, HDMI, SVideo, Audio, USB, Serial, and a GPIO bus with the footprint of a credit card, no moving parts which draws only 2-3 watts for US$35. My pi units run various processes such as NTP, web hosting and da

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step inGPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-02, Kennedy, Paul wrote: > That is one description. Another would be it is a fully functional > linux computer with LAN, HDMI, SVideo, Audio, USB, Serial, and a GPIO > bus with the footprint of a credit card, no moving parts which draws > only 2-3 watts for US$35. Yes, it is pretty am