Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread David Taylor
On 26/04/2013 20:20, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: I don't see that here. With a local PPS reference you get within a few microseconds within an hour. If the precision needed is less than that, We are discussing getting a good frequency lock, so that it will coast well, rather

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread David Woolley
David Taylor wrote: On 26/04/2013 20:20, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: I don't see that here. With a local PPS reference you get within a few microseconds within an hour. If the precision needed is less than that, We are discussing getting a good frequency lock, so that it

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread Harlan Stenn
unruh writes: On 2013-04-26, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: unruh writes: Define occasionally. Unfortuneately ntpd requires about 5-10 hours to rediscipline a clock to ultimate accuracy when the connection comes up again, so if the connection time is shorter than that, chrony (assuming

[ntp:questions] Polling vs. Offset

2013-04-27 Thread Mischanko, Edward T
Is there a way to configure ntpd so that when the offset exceeds 1 millisecond polling will automatically be set to 64 seconds or less? If I understand correctly, polling currently is adjusted by the speed of change in offset. It takes forever for a large offset to be skewed at large polling

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread Mischanko, Edward T
I think Harlan may have a valid point here. For some, better may mean My clock frequency is stable and I am tracking the middle of the clique as opposed to I am tighty latched to the server I am currently listening to. H ___ questions mailing

Re: [ntp:questions] Polling vs. Offset

2013-04-27 Thread David Woolley
Mischanko, Edward T wrote: Is there a way to configure ntpd so that when the offset exceeds 1 millisecond polling will automatically be set to 64 seconds or less? That wouldn't generally be desirable, as, of many, the reason for this would be a temporary change in network asymmetry, which is

Re: [ntp:questions] Polling vs. Offset

2013-04-27 Thread David Woolley
Mischanko, Edward T wrote: Is there a way to configure ntpd so that when the offset exceeds 1 millisecond polling will automatically be set to 64 seconds or less? Although you can't do this, if you do have a situation where the time measurements never have an error more than x, but there is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread David Taylor
On 27/04/2013 09:13, David Woolley wrote: [] If the time error is low and bounded the frequency error does not necessarily have a low error bound. Simply polling fast and using a short loop time constant can give you a low error bound on the time, if the network delays are stable and the source

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-04-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/04/2013 09:13, David Woolley wrote: [] If the time error is low and bounded the frequency error does not necessarily have a low error bound. Simply polling fast and using a short loop time constant can give you a

Re: [ntp:questions] Polling vs. Offset

2013-04-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-04-27, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: Is there a way to configure ntpd so that when the offset exceeds 1 millisecond polling will automatically be set to 64 seconds or less? If I understand correctly, polling currently is adjusted by the speed of

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-04-27, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: unruh writes: On 2013-04-26, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: unruh writes: Define occasionally. Unfortuneately ntpd requires about 5-10 hours to rediscipline a clock to ultimate accuracy when the connection comes up again, so if the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello All , On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Mischanko, Edward T wrote: I think Harlan may have a valid point here. For some, better may mean My clock frequency is stable and I am tracking the middle of the clique as opposed to I am tighty latched to the server I am currently listening to. H

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread David Taylor
On 27/04/2013 17:37, unruh wrote: [] Try altering the ntpd drift file (eg representing say 2 days of outage, not 10 seconds or what used to happen is that Linux's boot recalibration of the clock would jump by 10s of PPM on each reboot). Subract 20 from that value and then start it again. []

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread Joe Gwinn
In article T8Tet.8216$zh4.3...@newsfe13.iad, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-04-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/04/2013 09:13, David Woolley wrote: [] If the time error is low and bounded the frequency error does not necessarily have a low error

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with GPS and RTC

2013-04-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-04-27, Joe Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote: In article T8Tet.8216$zh4.3...@newsfe13.iad, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-04-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/04/2013 09:13, David Woolley wrote: [] If the time error is low and bounded the