Re: [ntp:questions] How to determin hardware latency for PPS offset given simple tools.

2013-05-24 Thread unruh
On 2013-05-24, Paul G wrote: > I have four GPS receivers into four different computers. I've assumed that I GPS receivers are not particularly good time sources UNLESS you use PPS. If you use PPS they should all agree to the 1micro second level. You should NOT need time1. If youjust use the se

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Harlan Stenn
The NTP FAQ pages are massively out of date. As soon as Network Time Foundation has enough money to pay somebody to work on the support wiki content and the FAQ stuff it will get done: http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member! If we get any volunteers to work on this it will get done that

[ntp:questions] How to determin hardware latency for PPS offset given simple tools.

2013-05-24 Thread Paul G
I have four GPS receivers into four different computers. I've assumed that I should be able to get small offsets between them but to do so I need to set time1. If that's the correct approach how do I pick the "right" system to be the benchmark. So far I've just been assuming that the purpose bui

Re: [ntp:questions] Tighter regulation?

2013-05-24 Thread unruh
On 2013-05-24, David Woolley wrote: > >> is entitled to. Why do you not use chrony? I know you have tried it. >> > I'm fairly sure he said Windows up thread. If he did, I missed it, and I apologize for my irrelevant suggestion. So, decrease the poll interval. _

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread David Lord
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: On 5/24/2013 5:56 AM, David Lord wrote: Riccardo Castellani wrote: If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/nt

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Brian Utterback
Peering them is a good idea, but isn't going to help, since they will each view the other as being of a higher stratum then their upstream servers. On 5/24/2013 10:30 AM, Rob wrote: Brian Utterback wrote: On 5/24/2013 5:27 AM, Rob wrote: claim that 2 servers is not good because they may hav

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 5/24/2013 5:56 AM, David Lord wrote: Riccardo Castellani wrote: If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp architecture

2013-05-24 Thread Marco Marongiu
On 24/05/2013 07:42, Riccardo Castellani wrote: > What do you think for my architecture about this configuration in my ntp.conf > for all 3 servers: I never use them Ciao! -- bronto ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.or

Re: [ntp:questions] Tighter regulation?

2013-05-24 Thread David Woolley
is entitled to. Why do you not use chrony? I know you have tried it. I'm fairly sure he said Windows up thread. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Tighter regulation?

2013-05-24 Thread unruh
On 2013-05-24, Mischanko, Edward T wrote: > > >> >> >> > On 2013-05-21, Mischanko, Edward T >> wrote: >> > >> >> My concern is that too much data is being thrown away when polling >> >> above 256 seconds and that allows excessive wandering of my clock. >> > >> >> If too much data is being thro

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset is always increasing

2013-05-24 Thread unruh
On 2013-05-24, Riccardo Castellani wrote: >> ntpd probably never touches it. What is the time on the file ls -lga >> > I think it's impossible, yesterday I reset file content. > >> Did you see me suggesting that you plot the stuff from your log files? >> Look at /var/log/ntp/loopstats and peerst

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread David Lord
David Lord wrote: Riccardo Castellani wrote: If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO I read 2

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Rob
Brian Utterback wrote: > On 5/24/2013 5:27 AM, Rob wrote: >> claim that 2 servers is not good because they may have different >> time and you will not be able to tell which one is right, but in >> a correctly configured ntp server it will normally not happen that >> it serves wrong time without no

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread David Taylor
On 24/05/2013 09:12, Riccardo Castellani wrote: If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO I read 2

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Brian Utterback
On 5/24/2013 5:27 AM, Rob wrote: claim that 2 servers is not good because they may have different time and you will not be able to tell which one is right, but in a correctly configured ntp server it will normally not happen that it serves wrong time without noticing it. You are missing the poi

Re: [ntp:questions] Tighter regulation?

2013-05-24 Thread John Hasler
David Woolley writes: > Offset is not offset from true time. And that, I think, is the major point of confusion here. If offset was the offset from true time ntpd would just subtract it out, set the clock to true time, and we'd all be happy. It isn't. It's one of the pieces of information ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: When you want your clients to always have correct time even if a server fails, you need more than one server. There are people who claim that 2 servers is not good because they may have different time and you will not be able to tell which one is right, but in I believe I've seen e

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread David Lord
Riccardo Castellani wrote: If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO I read 2 servers, it's worst

Re: [ntp:questions] Tighter regulation?

2013-05-24 Thread David Woolley
Mischanko, Edward T wrote: On 2013-05-21, Mischanko, Edward T wrote: My concern is that too much data is being thrown away when polling above 256 seconds and that allows excessive wandering of my clock. If too much data is being thrown away, it would be because the poll adjust algorithm h

Re: [ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Rob
Riccardo Castellani wrote: > If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all > these 3 servers in their configuration ? > According to '5.3.2. Why should I have > more than one clock?' in > 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO > > > I read 2 serve

Re: [ntp:questions] Offset is always increasing

2013-05-24 Thread Rob
Riccardo Castellani wrote: > OK I'll do it immediately... > I also have to remove these lines from my Linux server (10.2.3.? 5) It's > both on internal and external network and It represents ntp source for my > hp-ux server. I advise you to delete those lines on any system that you administer.

[ntp:questions] client configuration: it's sufficient 3 servers ?

2013-05-24 Thread Riccardo Castellani
If I have 3 internal NTP servers, what do you think if my clients have all these 3 servers in their configuration ? According to '5.3.2. Why should I have more than one clock?' in 'http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-algo-real.htm#Q-NTP-ALGO I read 2 servers, it's worst case, but also 3... ___